It is funny that one who claims others only use Google to find information -- had to resort to Wikipedia to make his post.   BTW -- information on Wikipedia is not always accurate.

The other point, I will make is that unlike the ignorant bully nayboob  --- I know how to read ACTUAL books and I have a very large library of books at home ---- including a huge collection of cook books and books on food history.

The FACT is that before World War II - dishes like Veal Parmigiana and Chicken Parmigiana were NOT typically found in Italy.   Parma - which is in NORTHERN Italy did NOT have dishes similar to Veal Parmigiana, Chicken Parmigiana or Eggplant Parmigiana among its retinue of commonly served dishes.  

Another FACT is that  tomato sauce or anything cooked or served with tomatoes was EXTREMELY uncommon before the late 1800's.    Tomatoes are native to the Americas -- and the earliest they were brought to Europe was in 1493  and they were NOT popular at first.  Tomatoes were also EXTREMELY difficult to grow in Europe and the United States until the late 1800's --- therefore were not commonly grown in most vegetable gardens.   It was only after several new tomato plant varieties were introduced in the late 1890's --- that it became easy to grow tomato plants and the price of tomatoes fell to a level where everyone could afford them.

Prior to this -- Italians would more commonly serve pasta with pesto sauces, cream sauces, just drizzled with olive oil and even with ground or chopped nuts on top of it.   Tomato sauce did NOT become inexpensive and commonly used until the late 1800's -- 1890's to be more precise.  

So we know that the Parma region of Italy did NOT serve those Parmigiana dishes ... there is little evidence that Southern Italy served anything more than eggplant with tomato sauce and cheese .. but there is EVIDENCE that an American GI created and served Veal Parmigiana and Chicken Parmigiana at his eatery IN ENGLAND right after WW2 --- and that it became quite popular then --- and only then became popularly served in America as an "Italian dish".

Those are the FACTS.

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Joeboxer's response is MORE proof that he is just an ignorant bully.

You wish he was ignorant.  Still waiting for some valuable posts from you.....

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Joeboxer's response is MORE proof that he is just an ignorant bully.

How is correcting your misinformation bullying?  Must have your own definition...sorry, you got caught AGAIN making up BS as fact!

And let me add...yes WIKI can be wrong, we know that.  I only used it to copy/paste the description that I know to be very accurate versus the BS you post only becuase you learn it from Google or heard it at the BURGER KING!!!  
In this case it describes the facts very well.  How do I know...quite simple.  My family is from Southern Italy, Calabria to be exact.  My Mother came to this country 81 years ago when she was just 15.  She knew how to cook only one way, the way she was taught be her mother and grandmother.  In her 96 years of life, to date, she never cooked any differently then she was taught, simple good Southern Italian meals...of which she often made "parmigiana", the original authentic Italian way.

So go look up any book you want, go search the internet all you want, spew all the lies you want....my source is "GENUINE REALITY" dude, something you are sorely lacking in.

So stick that in your Gravlax moron....just one more time you claim to be an expert and expose your ignorance!!!!!!

Like I said before, we all thought you were an ignorant moron, and everytime you post you dispell any doubt!

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It is funny that one who claims others only use Google to find information -- had to resort to Wikipedia to make his post.   BTW -- information on Wikipedia is not always accurate.

The other point, I will make is that unlike the ignorant bully nayboob  --- I know how to read ACTUAL books and I have a very large library of books at home ---- including a huge collection of cook books and books on food history.

The FACT is that before World War II - dishes like Veal Parmigiana and Chicken Parmigiana were NOT typically found in Italy.   Parma - which is in NORTHERN Italy did NOT have dishes similar to Veal Parmigiana, Chicken Parmigiana or Eggplant Parmigiana among its retinue of commonly served dishes.  

Another FACT is that  tomato sauce or anything cooked or served with tomatoes was EXTREMELY uncommon before the late 1800's.    Tomatoes are native to the Americas -- and the earliest they were brought to Europe was in 1493  and they were NOT popular at first.  Tomatoes were also EXTREMELY difficult to grow in Europe and the United States until the late 1800's --- therefore were not commonly grown in most vegetable gardens.   It was only after several new tomato plant varieties were introduced in the late 1890's --- that it became easy to grow tomato plants and the price of tomatoes fell to a level where everyone could afford them.

Prior to this -- Italians would more commonly serve pasta with pesto sauces, cream sauces, just drizzled with olive oil and even with ground or chopped nuts on top of it.   Tomato sauce did NOT become inexpensive and commonly used until the late 1800's -- 1890's to be more precise.  

So we know that the Parma region of Italy did NOT serve those Parmigiana dishes ... there is little evidence that Southern Italy served anything more than eggplant with tomato sauce and cheese .. but there is EVIDENCE that an American GI created and served Veal Parmigiana and Chicken Parmigiana at his eatery IN ENGLAND right after WW2 --- and that it became quite popular then --- and only then became popularly served in America as an "Italian dish".

Those are the FACTS.

DVR serves up BULLSH&T Parmigiana daily.

DV's has food on the brain (and a little around the middle) come on... his alter ego's are Hamburg and Gravel Gertie.....

What's next, Frankfort and Subway?  

What a tool.....

oh my oh my....T M I       stinko

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DVR serves up BULLSH&T Parmigiana daily.

Did he learn from McCarthy or the other way around?

There is a training ground for all this.....it's called hell or high water....gonna get those taxpayers...and put more in my

pocket.....    __ 00,000,000......pick a number

If anyone is interested in the history, here is a good article written by a very reputable source who refers to reputable sources.  I think it is sufficient enough proof, (and you can find many more reputable articles on the web) that PARMIGIANA is ITALIAN BY HERITAGE, unlike the origin that someone else would like us to believe.

TITLE: A History of Eggplant Parmesan
http://www.cliffordawright.com/caw/food/entries/display.php/topic_id/4/id/109/

Article starts out with the following:
"Eggplant Parmesan, parmigiana di melanzane in Italian, is one of the classic preparations of southern Italy. It is a preparation associated with the cooking of Naples, but it is popular in the Campanian countryside and Calabria and Sicily too. "

Just a quick direct copy of only the last 2 paragraphs (should read the whole thing)
"Let’s dig a little deeper here. The first mention of something resembling an eggplant parmesan is from Il saporetto by Simone Prudenzani (1387-1440), where the recipe refers to parmigiano cheese. Prudenzani was from Orvieto and his Il saporetto is a rhyming poem about food and not a cookbook. But foods are mentioned including “parmisciana.” The eighteenth-century Neapolitan chef Vincenzo Corrado mentions in his book Il cuoco galante published in 1786, that eggplant can be cooked alla Parmegiana, meaning the eggplant was seasoned with butter, herbs, cinnamon and other spices and grated parmigiano cheese and covered with a cream sauce made with egg yolks before being oven-baked.

I believe the version we know today, with its parmesan cheese and tomato ragu first appears in print in Ippolito Cavalcanti’s Cucina teorico-pratica published in Naples in 1837. Given that Corrado’s recipe was published in 1786, this isn’t a huge amount of time, so it looks like it sprung into existence in Naples in the intervening time, which is incidentally the time that tomatoes were becoming more popular for the first time in Italy."

Obviously Joebxr has so much time on his hands because he is doing nothing worthwhile -- that he has time to fabricate lies --- that is however -- when he is NOT busy burning copies of the U.S. Constitution and the Flag..

Another new persona? Some of us don't need numerous sock puppets to spew disinformation.

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Obviously Joebxr has so much time on his hands because he is doing nothing worthwhile -- that he has time to fabricate lies --- that is however -- when he is NOT busy burning copies of the U.S. Constitution and the Flag..

You know, I honestly was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you were someone different, but obviously you are just another sock puppet.....so I will treat you with the same kindness I treat your other egos with.  You guys can all gang up and spew the same nastiness, it doesn't matter.  But my offer remains...PM me and bring along the others and let's have a meet-n-greet.  A face-to-face discussion would be very interesting for sure.  Now go blow up your Gertie doll (or is it a Ronnie doll) and have fun!!!!  

I will stick by my sources which include textbooks used at the Culinary Institute of America and other leading culinary training schools.

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I will stick by my sources which include textbooks used at the Culinary Institute of America and other leading culinary training schools.

Yah, and you know where you can stick them, too!
Childrens books are not reliable sources of information!

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the place is STILL  like a creepy greasy club