Rampage. Explain again how a force consisting of a few machine guns and mostly deer rifles, could defeat one Abrams tank. Just one tank... but of course a well equipped invading force wold first destroy most of the enemy with artillery, naval gunfire, air strikes or drop mines to negate much of the resistance.
It's called American Ingenuity. Just ask the British who decided they were going to invade this bunch of rednecks who didn't want to pay their taxes anymore back a couple hundred years ago. Now, there are several tens of thousands the number of people who would be willing to fight.
..and if this were to happen now, it would be an entire generation of people who grew up watching MacGyver, you know, the guy who could break out of anything with a stick of gum (only using half of it) and a bobby pin.
A great description Shadow... But if you are facing an equipped trained invading force, you assume that you will use these weapons in sight of your enemy. ~ Chemical agents will leave all the weapons you mentioned totally useless. ~ Tactical artillery launched nukes will negate using these weapons. ~ None of the weapons you mentioned have any effect on an Abrams tank. ~ Satellite or drone surveillance will divulge your position, while you will be blind to enemy location. ~ Night vision and heat seeking optics would point out your exact location, at night, out of range of all your weapons... but in range of your opponents.
"The Good Ole Boy, US Deer Hunting Militia" makes a good movie... but it's pure fiction.
How would the hypothetical invader keep a supply line available? We are hypothetically talking about the invasion of 3.8 MILLION square miles of terrain. Unless this invader was able to conquer very quickly and take over all resources, and food sources and was able to set up munitions and food manufacturing to maintain a sustained attack, I think it would be very difficult for a foreign enemy to sustain a long distance military operation against 65 million armed Americans. Not only are the 65 million Americans familiar with guns, but they are also skilled workers that can set up a mining and manufacturing operations to sustain a counter attack. By no means do I believe a foreign invader could roll through the American countryside without substantial resistance and eventual repulsion.
Why is our government passing laws to detain American citizens by using the military in direct conflict with the Constitution? The military was never intended to be used against it's own citizens that's what the police are for. When laws like this are passed what are the citizens supposed to think the governments intent is. We should always be prepared for the worst and hope for the best.
It's called American Ingenuity. Just ask the British who decided they were going to invade this bunch of rednecks who didn't want to pay their taxes anymore back a couple hundred years ago. Now, there are several tens of thousands the number of people who would be willing to fight.
..and if this were to happen now, it would be an entire generation of people who grew up watching MacGyver, you know, the guy who could break out of anything with a stick of gum (only using half of it) and a bobby pin.
I agree Rampage, that "American Ingenuity" would be a great annoyance to any INVADING FORCE.
Czechoslovakia citizens used a soup plates and a Check flag to take out Russian tanks in the Russian invasion of '68. Check Ingenuity would place an upside down soup plate at an intersection in Prague. The Russian tank driver would see the plate which resembled an anti-tank mine. They'd stop the tank to investigate. When the tanker would get back into his tank, the Checks would run from a building and replace the Russian Flag with their Check flag. The next Russian tank that sees that tank and would fire on it. It worked well for days... but, as with our US Deer Hunting militia... they were no match for the Russian army and lost the war.
I agree that a US armed militia could annoy, slow down, or complicate an INVASION of the USA. It would have no effect on the end result of that invasion.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Not only are the 65 million Americans familiar with guns, but they are also skilled workers that can set up a mining and manufacturing operations to sustain a counter attack. By no means do I believe a foreign invader could roll through the American countryside without substantial resistance and eventual repulsion.
That's why even our own government has been trying to dumb us down for years. This is due to the outside influences, so that they can attempt to do this.
How would the hypothetical invader keep a supply line available? We are hypothetically talking about the invasion of 3.8 MILLION square miles of terrain. Unless this invader was able to conquer very quickly and take over all resources, and food sources and was able to set up munitions and food manufacturing to maintain a sustained attack, I think it would be very difficult for a foreign enemy to sustain a long distance military operation against 65 million armed Americans. Not only are the 65 million Americans familiar with guns, but they are also skilled workers that can set up a mining and manufacturing operations to sustain a counter attack. By no means do I believe a foreign invader could roll through the American countryside without substantial resistance and eventual repulsion.
My posts are in answer to Henry's post from WW2. I don't fear (like many on this board) that the USA will be invaded.
But
An invasion of the USA would probably look like a combination of the Iraqi "shock and awe" campaign, and the Normandy Invasion... or in a lesser way, the Iraq invasions. You must assume that an invading force would have already taken out our military... since these posts deal only with the RedNeck US Army of Deer Hunters.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
You must assume that an invading force would have already taken out our military... since these posts deal only with the RedNeck US Army of Deer Hunters.
Or that our wonderful and fearless leaders have already sent them all overseas to help in places where they shouldn't be, which is pretty close to where we are now.
An invasion of the USA would probably look like a combination of the Iraqi "shock and awe" campaign, and the Normandy Invasion... or in a lesser way, the Iraq invasions.
Their supply routes would be almost impossible to stay functional considering they would have to have a continuous flow of supplies. Unlike our wars they would have to ship fuel, ammo, food from across the ocean to maintain a long term presence.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
That's why even our own government has been trying to dumb us down for years. This is due to the outside influences, so that they can attempt to do this.
Same reasons the federal government limits states from drilling for oil and other natural resource. But of course it's to save the earth. Just like the civil war was about freeing slaves.
Their supply routes would be almost impossible to stay functional considering they would have to have a continuous flow of supplies. Unlike our wars they would have to ship fuel, ammo, food from across the ocean to maintain a long term presence.
Since we are discussing a "HYPOTHETICAL INVASION OF A FOREIGN POWER", this discussion should also include an invasion from a force that has allied with Mexico or Canada. Supply lines would not be an issue.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
the ISSUE....is do we think it OK that our own military is allowed to attack it's plebs via a Fu(king Washington Whim?
IT'S JUST AS INSIDIOUS AS CANCER SPREADING......heeeeeeellllo people pay attention......
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‘Indefinite Detention’ Bill Passes Senate 93-7
Americans completely stripped of all rights under Section 1031
Paul Joseph Watson Infowars.com Friday, December 2, 2011
The Senate last night codified into law the power of the U.S. military to indefinitely detain an American citizen with no charge, no trial and no oversight whatsoever with the passage of S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act.
One amendment that would have specifically blocked the measures from being used against U.S. citizens was voted down and the final bill was passed 93-7.
Another amendment introduced by Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein that attempted to bar the provision from being used on American soil, an effort to ensure “the military won’t be roaming our streets looking for suspected terrorists,” also failed, although Feinstein voted in favor of the bill anyway.
Feinstein was able to include a largely symbolic amendment which states that “nothing in the bill changes current law relating to the detention of U.S. citizens and legal aliens,” but this measure is meaningless according to Republican Congressman Justin Amash, a fierce critic of the bill.
“Some have asserted that Sen. Feinstein’s amendment, S Amdt 1456, protects the rights of American citizens and preserves constitutional due process. Unfortunately, it does not. It’s just more cleverly worded nonsense,” Amash wrote on his Facebook page. A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Though the White House has threatened to veto the bill, the fact that Obama administration lawyers yesterday reaffirmed their backing for state sponsored assassination of U.S. citizens would suggest otherwise. Not voting for the bill, or in other words upholding the oath to protect the Constitution, has been described over and over again as “political suicide”.
“The bill puts military detention authority on steroids and makes it permanent, American citizens and others are at greater risk of being locked away by the military without charge or trial,” said Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union.
As Spencer Ackerman highlights, the bill completely violates the sixth amendment in that it allows American citizens to be locked up indefinitely, including in a foreign detention center, without any burden of proof whatsoever. An American merely has to be declared a terrorist and they can be abducted off the streets and never seen again.
“The detention mandate to use indefinite military detention in terrorism cases isn’t limited to foreigners. It’s confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other, but in the judgment of the University of Texas’ Robert Chesney — a nonpartisan authority on military detention — “U.S. citizens are included in the grant of detention authority,” writes Ackerman.
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TERRORISM and it's brothers/sisters used in the language of today is A DIRTY ROTTEN SHAME......shame on us.....just F'EN shame on us......our time of reaping will be riddled with sorrow.....America will become a dusty old man....
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Don't Shoot Until You See the Whites of Their Eyes!
by Andrew Curry
One of the colonial officers gave an order that would later become famous: "Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes.
The colonists were outnumbered and low on ammunition. Their commanders knew they had to make every bullet count, and ordered their inexperienced men to hold their fire as the British formed their neat battle lines. One of the colonial officers gave an order that would later become famous: "Don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes." When the "redcoats" were less than 150 feet away, the men opened up "an incessant stream of fire," a British officer wrote later. "It seemed a continued sheet of fire for near thirty minutes."
The counterattack was devastating. British officers and enlisted men alike fell "as thick as sheeps in a field," another eyewitness wrote. The battle lasted an intense two and a half hours as British troops made charge after direct charge up the hill. On the third attempt, the exhausted colonial militia ran out of ammunition and the British swarmed over the barricades with bayonets. The colonists beat a hasty retreat, but the damage had been done: More than a thousand British troops were wounded or killed, twice the casualty count among the fledgling American army.
Though the battle was technically a defeat for the American colonists, Bunker Hill forced some tough conclusions on the British. It was suddenly clear to the proud British command that the American revolution was going to be a long, hard fight. The colonial militias learned tough lessons too – if they were going to prevail in their fight for freedom, they would need far better organization, training and supplies.
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Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes. Earliest quote
Posted by James Briggs on January 15, 2003
The Times publishes a regular Q&A column, often about the origin of sayings and phrases (I've had several answers published). A recent question was about the saying "Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes"? Some answers have been published, but one today seems to put the origin back 32 years from the accepted version. I thought it worth while passing on. The text come directly from the newpaper, and I thus acknowledge its source.
"Further to your previous correspondence (Q&A, December 30), which attributes the saying to the American General William Prescott, at the Battle of Bunker Hill ill 1775, this phrase is actually recorded some 32 years earlier. At Dettingen, Flanders, on June 27, 1743, Lieutenant-Colonel Sir Andrew Agnew of Lochnaw (5th Baronet) gave to the men or his regiment, the 21st of Foot, an order from which this saying is derived. A man of spirit even for the times, he had earlier in the day replied to a brigade order that "the scoundrels will never have the impudence to attack the Scots Fusiliers", but they did. Formed in square, the Scots Fusiliers held a steady fire rolling along their lines and kept off the advancing French infantry. Sir Andrew, a resourceful and experienced officer, had in training practised a novel battle drill with the men in his square, should they be attacked by cavalry. At last, the opportunity to spring this trap appeared when the square was attacked by enemy cuirassiers. Instead of employing the orthodox tactic of seeing them off by standing firm and taking the charge on muskets and pikes, Sir Andrew gave orders that, as the cavalry approached the front line, the two centre companies should divide from the centre and fall back from the outer markers. This novel approach allowed the cavalry to charge through a lane with the Fusiliers facing inwards. At this point Sir Andrew gave the command: "Dinna fire till ye can see the whites of their e' en . . . if ye dinna kill them they'll kill you." The French, as they rode through this lane of soldiers, were subjected to a withering crossfire and destroyed. Later in the day King George II, who commanded the Army but was a little out of his depth, rode up and said: "So, Sir. Andrew, I hear the cuirassiers rode through your regiment today." "Ou, ay, yer Majestee," was the reply "but they didna get oot again." This account is extracted from an article in the Journal of the Royal Highland Fusiliers Volume 24, No 2 (Winter 2000) and written by Sir Andrew's descendant, Major Sir Crispin Agnew of Lochnaw, Bt. Dr J. R. Donald. Glasgow"
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The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes.
A great military victory for the USA.
Now to today.
The Deer Hunting Militia of today would never see the "whites of their eyes"... or any other part of their enemy. Ask the Iraqis who were sitting in their dug in tanks waiting for the Americans in ambush as that war began... They never saw the tanks or the Warthogs, or the missiles that killed them...they just died in place in their ambush.
Again I ask the same question... If this Deer Hunting Militia premise is correct... ~ Could you put your Deer Hunting American Militia in place in bunkers on Normandy beach, and expect they would repel an invasion of the now antiquated US military invasion there? Could your American Militia of today do what the armed, trained and experienced German troops could not do in June of 1944? That is the premise of this entire conversation.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
we are talking about on american soil.....without and invader.....you know....'in house'
the fight to survive and 'keep yourself'....you know like Robin Hood by the people....everyone keeps comparing Obama to Robin Hood(that's a joke).....government is Robin Hood depending on their aliances and used without educating the masses.....ear tickling prevails without knowledge.....government Robin Hood is a shell of a person.....
the need to survive can be strong...but in a country where satiation can be insidious for 'security' via podium pucks can be dangerous.....winning or not? that would depend on how much realestate in the grey matter is taken, removing that from the spirit.....
JMHO
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS