My issue surrounding this man and being 'let go' by the hospital is this: Schenectady is a haven for SO many non-profits, why didn't Ellis refer this man to one of them?
Seriously, the City spends so much on allowing non-profits to be here, yet it seems that the people who desperately need them are not getting the services. The City Mission, Carver Center, Bethesda House, the Bridge Center, New Choices on State.... they are everywhere. The excuse that someone couldn't get help in the City is a little far-fetched in my opinion.
As well, if this man WAS suicidal and Ellis let him go, that's complete negligence and the hospital should be held accountable for this incident.
Good points cel. But the fact remains that there is more then enough blame to go around. And in this case, not on the victim. imho
First....this incident proves that the police dept has had poor training. (FOUR shots OMG! Second....The gazette security guard should have not let this guy in in the first place. Third.....what the hell were the gazette employees thinking BEFORE they decided to call the police????? Fourth....Ellis Hospital let this one slip through the cracks! The guy was admittedly suicidal and cried for help on several occasions.
And now the 'system' will press charges against this suicidal guy and every one else responsible for the end result...gets a pass!!
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of course the Nayboobs can second guess everybody from the comfort of their armchairs --- the Nayboobs wouldn't crumble under pressure if they actually had to make real-time, real-life decisions like the Schenectady Police Department or the people at Ellis Hospital
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If a citizen shot a guest invited into their house that was with armed with a knife, the person that shot the guest would be charged with a crime. But we know that Schenectady cops above the law.
The hospital can not force someone to stay.....family not wanting/able to do anything......only a court can deem someone held because they are incompetent......a jail can not hold someone indefinitely either.....they go to court and get judged
the issue is the return of the force used....now if we want to spend ALOT of money and make police into orderlies we can do that.....but I dont think that's a good road to travel....we already have the Patriot Act/neighbor watch/Hippa/realID
shame shame shame on our media for such poor viewpoints offered their readers/watchers......
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Hospital releases man shot at paper SCHENECTADY — The man police shot at The Daily Gazette in what authorities believe was a suicide-by-cop attempt has been released from the hospital, offi cials confi rmed Friday. Elvis Norwood, 21, who remains in custody, appeared Friday morning in Schenectady City Court with his attorney, Sven Paul. Paul said his client walked into court under his own power and didn’t complain of any particular discomfort. Norwood remains held in lieu of $100,000 bail, facing multiple charges, including burglary and attempted aggravated assault on a police offi cer. He was shot three times inside the lobby of The Daily Gazette on Oct. 8, after he rushed offi cers while brandishing a knife. The officers were there to remove him after he refused employee requests to leave. Norwood is due back in court Wednesday.
Norwood remains held in lieu of $100,000 bail, facing multiple charges, including burglary and attempted aggravated assault on a police offi cer.
And everyone else involved gets a pass?????????
This guy was suicidal/mentally unstable/mentally ill...........what was everyone else's excuse? Just plain stupid? Can someone be charged for 'stupidity'?
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
anyhow...he probably doesn't really care about the charges....he will get room/food/friends....even if they are the psychology friends.....a general hospital is not the place to keep folks.....a hospital with a psych-name IS the place to keep folks with mental illnesses.....
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I wonder is he being kept in the city or county jail? Shouldn't he be in a psyche ward as to get the treatment/counseling/mediations he needs? Because that dosn't happen in jail.
SCHENECTADY Psych check ordered for man shot by police BY STEVEN COOK Gazette Reporter Reach Gazette reporter Steven Cook at 395-3122 or scook@dailygazette.com.
The knife-wielding man who rushed at officers and was shot three times in the lobby of The Daily Gazette in a possible suicide-by-cop attempt will undergo psychiatric evaluation, a court ordered Wednesday. The evaluation is to be done in the coming weeks and will help determine the man’s competency to stand trial. Elvis Norwood, 21, appeared in City Court on Wednesday afternoon with his attorney Sven Paul. Paul requested the evaluation and City Court Judge Matthew Sypniewski granted it. Now two psychiatrists will evaluate Norwood and render separate opinions as to whether he can stand trial. Sypniewski would then make the final determination. Any suspect found not competent is generally re-evaluated after a set period of time. Norwood, 21, of Hattie Street, faces charges of second-degree burglary, attempted aggravated assault on a police officer and menacing a police officer, as well as a misdemeanor weapons possession charge. He is being held on $100,000 bail. Norwood is accused of illegally remaining inside the newspaper’s locked offices Oct. 8, after being let inside by a security guard on a request for water. Witnesses said Norwood appeared drowsy, medicated and “very vacant-looking” when he arrived. ..................>>>>.....................>>>>.....................http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....r01803&AppName=1
SCHENECTADY Man wounded by police in standoff to sue city BY STEVEN COOK Gazette Reporter Reach Gazette reporter Steven Cook at 395-3122 or scook@dailygazette.net.
The knife-wielding man who rushed at officers and was shot three times in the lobby of The Daily Gazette has fi led notice that he intends to sue the city. Meanwhile, in the ongoing criminal case against Elvis Norwood, his attorney Sven Paul has withdrawn a request for a psychiatric evaluation of his client. Norwood’s mental state has improved, Paul confi rmed Wednesday. Attorney William F. Ryan Jr. fi led the notice of claim earlier this month against the city of Schenectady on behalf of Norwood, 21. In the notice, a precursor to a lawsuit, he claims that police used excessive force when they shot him Oct. 8 in the newspaper’s lobby. “The use of deadly force was excessive, unnecessary and uncalled for and resulted in serious injuries to [Norwood],” the notice signed by Ryan reads. City police officials have said the shooting appeared to be within department policy and state law. Mayor-elect Gary McCarthy said Wednesday nothing has changed that assessment. Regarding the notice of claim itself, he said it is the city’s general policy not to comment. Norwood, of Hattie Street, faces charges of second-degree burglary, attempted aggravated assault on a police offi cer and menacing a police officer, as well as a misdemeanor weapon possession charge. He is being held in lieu of $100,000 bail. He is accused of illegally remaining inside the newspaper’s locked offices Oct. 8, after being let inside by a security guard on a request for water. Witnesses said Norwood appeared drowsy, medicated and “very vacant-looking” when he arrived. Only later was it determined that he had a knife. Police then arrived, and tried to talk Norwood into dropping the weapon. He then charged at police and Offi cer Brett Ferris fired four shots, hitting Norwood three times, in the arm, chest and stomach. According to police and family, Norwood was at Ellis Hospital twice for suicidal thoughts in the days leading up to the incident. Police took him there on a pickup order on one of those occasions and family members said he took himself there on the other. The earlier incident led police to believe Norwood was trying to commit suicide by making officers shoot him. Norwood spent about five days in the hospital after the shooting, before being released and taken to jail. Soon after, he appeared in court, walking on his own. He had bandages on both forearms, about halfway up, but otherwise showed no signs of his injuries. CITES INJURIES His notice of claim indicates he was “seriously and permanently injured.” The claim also lists Norwood’s injuries, including digestive system dysfunction, disfi gurement and “exacerbation of his depression and anxiety.” Ryan could not be reached for comment Wednesday. Norwood has yet to be indicted. Paul said he and the District Attorney’s Offi ce are in negotiations “to achieve the appropriate resolution.” Norwood was the second person shot by city police in as many months and his case was the second to result in a notice of claim..........................>>>>......................>>>>.....................http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....r01200&AppName=1
Schenectady man admits rushing officers at Gazette Shot three times after confrontation inside lobby Thursday, November 1, 2012 By Steven Cook (Contact)
SCHENECTADY — The knife-wielding man who rushed at officers and was shot three times in the lobby of The Daily Gazette admitted to the act Wednesday in court, accepting a sentence of up to five years.
Elvis Norwood, 22, also indicated he suffers from paranoid schizophrenia, an assertion backed up later by the prosecutor in the case.
Prosecutor William Sanderson said he had received documents supporting the diagnosis. Sanderson also indicated it appeared Norwood was off his medication at the time of the Oct. 8, 2011, shooting and was having a psychotic episode.
At that time, Norwood showed up at the newspaper’s locked offices, but was let inside by a security guard after asking for water. Witnesses said Norwood appeared drowsy, medicated and “very vacant-looking” when he arrived.
Only later was it determined that he had a knife. Police were called and Norwood soon rushed them. Officer Brett Ferris fired four shots, hitting Norwood three times, in the arm, chest and stomach. Arriving with Ferris was Officer Timothy Rizzo.
Norwood has since recovered fully.
Regardless of the mental health claims, Sanderson said Norwood waived any mental disease or defect defense by taking the plea Wednesday. Norwood’s attorney, Sven Paul, declined to comment later.
Norwood, who has no criminal history, pleaded guilty to one count of menacing a police officer, a felony. In exchange, he is to receive up to five years in state prison, but could receive as little as time served. The final sentence will be up to Schenectady County Court Judge Karen Drago at Norwood’s December sentencing.
Sanderson said all of those factors, including the danger he placed officers in, was taken into account when making the plea offer.
“Clearly he put two police officers in real danger of serious injury or death,” Sanderson said. “You factor that in with, in spite of the fact that he has no criminal record, he could spend up to five years in prison.
“It’s a balancing act, really, between how serious the behavior was, balanced with the fact that he clearly has no record and he clearly was suffering from not taking his meds for paranoid schizophrenia.”
Norwood, of Hattie Street, was originally charged with second-degree burglary, attempted aggravated assault on a police officer and menacing a police officer, as well as a misdemeanor weapons possession charge. He has been held since the incident.
Norwood was accused of illegally remaining inside the newspaper’s locked offices after being let inside.
According to police and family, Norwood was at Ellis Hospital twice for suicidal thoughts in the days leading up to the incident. Police took him there on a pickup order on one of those occasions.
Sanderson said there is no way to explain why Norwood rushed at the officers with the knife other than he was suicidal.
After Norwood’s arrest, Norwood’s attorney, Paul, asked that Norwood be evaluated to determine his competency to stand trial. Sanderson noted Wednesday that Norwood also spent a month at the Central New York Psychiatric Center for evaluation.................>>>>......................>>>>......................http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2012/nov/01/schenectady-man-admits-rushing-officers/
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