Heard on YNN that Norwood is being charged with burglary:

Def:
1) illegal entry: the crime of entering a building to commit a felony, usually theft
2) illegal entry of building: an act of entering a building illegally to commit theft

How about charging the security guard with negligence. WHY would he allow a stranger into the building on a weekend?? Isn't that what security guards do? Keep the place secure?

Rachel
I just read about the burglary charge. What did he steal a drink of water?

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Man shot at Gazette faces felonies
By PAUL NELSON Staff writer
Updated 05:12 p.m., Monday, October 10, 2011

SCHENECTADY - The emotionally disturbed man who was shot over the weekend after refusing to drop a steak knife he pulled on two city police officers in the lobby of the Daily Gazette newspaper's main office was charged with burglary and other felonies on Monday.

Lt. Mark McCracken. said Monday that city detectives hoped to interview Elvis Norwood, 21, once he recovers from the three gunshot wounds he suffered late Saturday afternoon at the Schenectady paper's Maxon Road Extension.

Norwood was charged with third-degree burglary, attempted aggravated assault on a police officer and menacing a police officer. He was also charged with a misdemeanor count of fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon.................>>>>...............>>>>..............Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Man-shot-at-Gazette-faces-felonies-2211756.php#ixzz1aTFPurmn

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Rachel
I just read about the burglary charge. What did he steal a drink of water?

Right?!? An invitee into the building.

Again, this security guard created this situation by not doing his job.

Definition of burglary is a little off.  

Burglary can occur by either entering or remaining unlawfully.  

For example, if you enter a Department store during business hours then hide and stay after hours or refuse to leave when the store is closed.  And, you do not need a felony or a theft it can be any crime .

For example, if you break into a residence to assualt someone and the injuries amount to a misdemanor assault then you acn be charged witha burglary.

Clarifiaction only, not applying it to a discussion of this incident.  

What were the cops charged with?

http://dailygazette.com/news/2011/oct/11/1011_subdue/

Schenectady police use Taser to subdue man
Tuesday, October 11, 2011


Police used a Taser to subdue a man who fled from a traffic stop late Monday night....

1.  First Norwood was shot 5 times reported

2.  Then he was shot 4 times reported

3.  Last nite ....shot 3 times

What burglary?   This mentally ill person is being used as a scapegoat and Bennett and the rest should be
investigated by outside authorities.  What a coverup.   Family should sue big time..

And the survey says ?????????

Just by chance the taser was used for someone running away...No shots fired ???

The guard was the one who initiated this event  ...to me he committed a crime by not doing his job.
Then all hell broke loose.  goes to show you how trained the SPD is...no wonder why Schenectady has
become so unsafe.  

Call in the militia

The Schenectady Police did their job -- and did it well.

Only you would put the SPD on a pedestal

what is so positive about this event

Rebel without a cause......rename yourself please

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Definition of burglary is a little off.  

Burglary can occur by either entering or remaining unlawfully.  

For example, if you enter a Department store during business hours then hide and stay after hours or refuse to leave when the store is closed.  And, you do not need a felony or a theft it can be any crime .

For example, if you break into a residence to assualt someone and the injuries amount to a misdemanor assault then you acn be charged witha burglary.

Clarifiaction only, not applying it to a discussion of this incident.  

Thank you Visitor, my definition was not on point. What I did want to convey is that for burglary, this man needed INTENT.

As well, WHY would a security guard let a man inside with bleeding hands?? Even if he didn't see a knife, the GM said that this man's hands were bloody.

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So are you saying that the cop was justified by shooting at this mentally ill guy FIVE times?? A guy that they just picked up a few days before? A guy with a known suicidal tendencies? A guy who apparently showed NO signs of violence for almost one hour and never had a record of violence. A mentally ill guy who was asking...begging....for help?

There are diabetics that will react the same way when their sugar level is off. Ya gonna shoot then ask questions then too?

no....I'm saying the police officers aren't trained to know the difference.....but they are(should be) trained to know proper use of force....
society has alienated the police force in the 60's...so here we are.....when schools have 'student's rights' and 'resource officers' it's a sign of the times and the insidious removal of parental responsibility
via "Hi, I'm here from the government and I'm here to bring you liberty from yourself"....

Mayberry died in Woodstock and Haight Ashberry.....

the man is charged bacause the hospital can't keep him....he needs a bed to sleep in....conviction will guarantee a roof/meals/friends/baths/structure......there are no other institutions for this
kind of person other than the names we have given those institutions which have now been renamed jail/prison......alot of $$$$$$$$$$$ here

I think there's even a planned parenthood on all prison premises........oh,,,,there's alot of liberty there

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Police were too quick to use deadly force

    Re Oct. 9 article, “Police shoot man at Gazette”: As an almost lifelong resident of Schenectady, I am once again embarrassed and angered over the actions of the Schenectady Police Department. The latest incident involves the shooting of a man at The Daily Gazette’s main offi ce.
    I spent 10 years in the U.S. Navy, both active duty and reserves, and while I certainly wasn’t a SEAL, I was taught physical security and “escalation of force.” Basically, this means you must react to threats at the same level they are encountered.
    When Mr. Elvis Norwood came at police officers with a knife, there was indeed a threat, but to resort to deadly force was not the appropriate response to that threat. Simply using pepper spray or a Taser would’ve been able to disarm him from a distance. Or, if the officers had been trained in handto-hand combat, they could have disarmed the man without resorting to deadly force.
    That the offi cers resorted to fi ring not just one, but four shots at close range leads me to believe these offi - cers were poorly trained on escalation of force. It sets a very dangerous precedent that the Schenectady police will resort to deadly force so readily.
    If the officers were simply following their training, then the training itself needs to be changed. You don’t bring a gun to a knife fight and neither should the police.

CHAD POLENZ
Albany

http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....r00906&AppName=1

In the event that occurred a few weeks back that guy had a gun pointed at them.  That case was something totally different then what happened at the gazette building.

Here was a guy asking for water.  He is behaving strangely.  Refusing the requests of the security guard.  At no time have I heard up to this point that during his walking around he threatened anyone he just refused to leave.

I understand from quotes in the paper that this man had said he needed or wanted help.

Folks arrived from the administration of the Gazette and tried to talk to him then they see the knife and blood.  Don't blame them for backing off and calling a professional in to attend to this matter.  This was absolutely the right thing to do.

I still am waiting to hear that the guy was pointing it at her or anyone.  I may have missed that information but I recollect the girlfriend tried to talk with him then saw the knife and blood and 911 was called.  Again, the correct thing to do.

In comes the cops now, mind you until the uniformed authority comes in I still haven't heard this guy was threatening anyone.

It appears from what the media reports that things immediately escalated from that point on. Hey, anytime I have been approached by a cop I feel intimidated it is natural. They are the representation of ultimate authority.  

Maybe at this point he was yelling go ahead shoot me kill me and he starts to lung forward.  I wasn't there but there must be some reason Bennett was so quick to say this was an attempt of suicide by cop.

It is evident from the quotes in the paper that this guy was looking for help.

If he had been admitted to the mental health unit a few weeks back for suicidal tendencies the insurance companies demand that the hospital discharge a person as fast as they can.  So they give the individual a lot or medication so they are no longer symptomatic and out the door they go.  This means a very heavy use of medications to numb the person out so much so they no longer feel anything including suicidal thoughts.  The hospital has their hands tied.

Most likely the person is disorientated and totally screwed up from the medications, they no longer are able to function. Find food or shelter or they have an apartment but again so zoned out they are not able to attend to feeding themselves or attend to any daily living skills.

Doesn't it seem strange he was way out at that building?  Not like he was downtown or upper union where there people and stores.  I question why he was in such an out of the way location but then again maybe he lived nearby..

There is a possibility this guy had tried to commit suicide thus the knife and blood.  He had no intention of hurting  anyone but  himself.  Until the Schenectady police show up. Now the guy feels threatened.  Those quoted that were in the building witnessing all of this saw a disoriented guy asking for help prior to the cops showing up.

I wonder if there are slashes on his wrists from a suicide attempt thus the blood.  I bet that information if it indeed showed that will never be acknowledged by the police or anyone.  Those at Albany Med can't say anything because of HIPPA laws but I would like to be a fly on the wall at Albany Med to see if he had used that knife on himself.

For someone suicidal the pain they feel they believe the only way out is to kill themselves. A person does not have to have a mental illness to be suicidal.

A person loses his job, the threat of foreclosure on the house, can't pay the taxes, you have the city on your back, a code enforcement violation "for rust spots" on the side of your house more need for money, with no way to feed the kids and now the threat of no shelter, he just found out his wife has breast cancer and to add to all this, his son is autistic and he is acting out screeching at the top of his lungs most of the day because he is unable to communicate.

Then add to it that person who has worked all their life goes to Social Services for help and they are treated like crap.

You think this is a far fetched story?   No folks it isn't!   The facts may be different for each person but these type of things do happen here in Schenectady.

You think I am kidding? I so wish I was.

Many attempts have been made to train our officers on how to handle a emotionally disturbed person even one with a knife.

In one ear out the other.  

Folks have come to Schenectady to explain what their training is about in how to deal with an emotionally disturbed person. This training  program that is recognized as working the man who invented it lives just a short distance away in Rochester.

What is the chance this man was now a threat to the employees a real possibility but keep in mind from all I have read about this situation this man wasn't threatening till the Schenectady PD arrives and escalated things.

I wasn't there I can only go by what is in the papers. Suicide by cop is not so far fetched but other communities find ways to not shoot the person so what is the problem here in Schenectady?

(In regards to the man killed brandishing a knife on State Street he had threatened many people from what I understand was in close proximity to folks in that area around him so there wasn't much the officer could do he had to protect himself and the citizens.)

My question is.  At what point does this man in the Gazette building start to threaten anyone?  Was it after the pd arrives?  Did he at that point start telling the cop to go ahead shoot me kill me?  He than lunges at the cop.  I don't know I wasn't there.  Why did that cop not back away till others showed up?

Does anyone on the board here know?  Can you share what you have heard or read in the papers that I missed.

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