Cicero even denies that GWB actually killed an American citizen in Yemen in 2001... He's so shaken by the news that this was done that he's had a mental block out of the incident, and won't even acknowledge that it happened. Very traumatic !
Well, box, honestly, I've been looking all over the internet to find Bush or members of the Bush Administration announcing that it is U.S. policy to target those U.S. citizens responsible for the U.S.S. Cole attack. The only thing that I could come up with was the attack on Abu Ali al-Harithi(non-u.s. citizen) by a predator drone, and Kamal Derwish(U.S. Citizen) was killed in the convoy that was attacked. Kamal Dersish(Ahmed Hijazi) was NOT on a list on U.S. citizen to be assassinated, he was collateral damage. Again...NOT TARGETED!!!
I acknowledge the U.S.S Cole attack, what I don't acknowledge is the formal and public announcement by the Bush Administration authorizing the assassination of U.S. citizens and putting them on a CIA hit list without charges filed against them. I'm still waiting for you to provide the announcement or acknowledgement where he made it part of the anti terror policy. And if he did do that, and I missed it, then I'm against those actions too.
Outside the U.S. government, President Obama's order to kill American citizen Anwar al-Awlaki without due process has proved controversial, with experts in law and war reaching different conclusions. Inside the Obama Administration, however, disagreement was apparently absent, or so say anonymous sources quoted by the Washington Post. "The Justice Department wrote a secret memorandum authorizing the lethal targeting of Anwar al-Aulaqi, the American-born radical cleric who was killed by a U.S. drone strike Friday, according to administration officials," the newspaper reported. "The document was produced following a review of the legal issues raised by striking a U.S. citizen and involved senior lawyers from across the administration. There was no dissent about the legality of killing Aulaqi, the officials said."
Isn't that interesting? Months ago, the Obama Administration revealed that it would target al-Awlaki. It even managed to wriggle out of a lawsuit filed by his father to prevent the assassination. But the actual legal reasoning the Department of Justice used to authorize the strike? It's secret. Classified. Information that the public isn't permitted to read, mull over, or challenge.
Why? What justification can there be for President Obama and his lawyers to keep secret what they're asserting is a matter of sound law? This isn't a military secret. It isn't an instance of protecting CIA field assets, or shielding a domestic vulnerability to terrorism from public view. This is an analysis of the power that the Constitution and Congress' post September 11 authorization of military force gives the executive branch. This is a president exploiting official secrecy so that he can claim legal justification for his actions without having to expose his specific reasoning to scrutiny. As the Post put it, "The administration officials refused to disclose the exact legal analysis used to authorize targeting Aulaqi, or how they considered any Fifth Amendment right to due process."
Obama hasn't just set a new precedent about killing Americans without due process. He has done so in a way that deliberately shields from public view the precise nature of the important precedent he has set. It's time for the president who promised to create "a White House that's more transparent and accountable than anything we've seen before" to release the DOJ memo. As David Shipler writes, "The legal questions are far from clearcut, and the country needs to have this difficult discussion." And then there's the fact that "a good many Obama supporters thought that secret legal opinions by the Justice Department -- rationalizing torture and domestic military arrests, for example -- had gone out the door along with the Bush administration," he adds. "But now comes a momentous change in policy with serious implications for the Constitution's restraint on executive power, and Obama refuses to allow his lawyers' arguments to be laid out on the table for the American public to examine." What doesn't he want to get out?
I acknowledge the U.S.S Cole attack, what I don't acknowledge is the formal and public announcement by the Bush Administration authorizing the assassination of U.S. citizens and putting them on a CIA hit list without charges filed against them. I'm still waiting for you to provide the announcement or acknowledgement where he made it part of the anti terror policy. And if he did do that, and I missed it, then I'm against those actions too.
LMAO!
~ " I'm still waiting for you to provide the announcement or acknowledgement where he made it part of the anti terror policy. And if he did do that, and I missed it, then I'm against those actions too." ~
It was made public by the press! Not by public announcement or proclamation. How did Nixon put it... "If the president does it it's not illegal"!
Thursday, February 4, 2010 Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair acknowledged Wednesday that government agencies may kill U.S. citizens abroad who are involved in terrorist activities if they are "taking action that threatens Americans." Blair told members of the House intelligence committee that he was speaking publicly about the issue to reassure Americans that intelligence agencies and the Department of Defense "follow a set of defined policy and legal procedures that are very carefully observed" in the use of lethal force against U.S. citizens.
In response to questions from Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.), the panel's ranking Republican, Blair said: "We take direct action against terrorists in the intelligence community. If that direct action, we think that direct action will involve killing an American, we get specific permission to do that."
In 2001 GWB OK'd an attack that would kill American Citizen (Al Qeada operative) Kamal Derwish.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I think you misunderstood my question. I wanted to see when the Bush Administration made pubic( through the press or congressional hearing) it's policy to assassinate U.S. citizens. You make the claim Bush policy included targeted assassination of u.s. citizens. I know a U.S.citizen was killed as a result of an attack on a convoy targeting a FOREIGN terror suspect. I still haven't found where Americans were placed on a CIA got list.
I think you misunderstood my question. I wanted to see when the Bush Administration made pubic( through the press or congressional hearing) it's policy to assassinate U.S. citizen. You make the claim Bush policy included targeted assassination of u.citizens. I know a U.S.citizen was killed as a result of an attack on a convoy targeting a FOREIGN terror suspect. I still haven't found where American were placed on a CIA got list.
Still waiting.
I never said that Americans were on a Kill list... they may have been but I don't know about it. BUT When a known American Al Qaeda Terrorist who was a valid target of attack and wanted by the CIA, was known to be riding in a car accompanied by other Terrorists, the CIA, knowing he was an American citizen, which would require authorization from the White House got permission and killed him in 2001 in Yemen.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I never said that Americans were on a Kill list... they may have been but I don't know about it. BUT When a known American Al Qaeda Terrorist who was a valid target of attack and wanted by the CIA, was known to be riding in a car accompanied by other Terrorists, the CIA, knowing he was an American citizen, which would require authorization from the White House got permission and killed him in 2001 in Yemen.
Well that's clearly different. That would be like saying American's target women and children because the foreign enemy we target travels with women and children.
Box, I believe you to be a person of at least average intelligence, I would think you would be able to the difference between targeted and collateral deaths.
Well that's clearly different. That would be like saying American's target women and children because the foreign enemy we target travels with women and children.
Box, I believe you to be a person of at least average intelligence, I would think you would be able to the difference between targeted and collateral deaths.
When a known American Al Qaeda Terrorist who was a valid target of attack and wanted by the CIA, was known to be riding in a car accompanied by other Terrorists, the CIA, knowing he was an American citizen, which would require authorization from the White House got permission and killed him in 2001 in Yemen.
Collateral damage is killing to (usually civilians) or others who are not directly targeted in the attack. This American Terrorist was himself a target but also among other targets in the car. His death was not incidental, but on purpose.
Cicero, I would think you would be able to the difference between political propaganda and actual facts. Your posts are heavy on propaganda and light on facts. This is an exercise in politics, not a discussion of the facts. Your point is your agenda, not the subject. Twist as you may, the facts are the facts... you ignore the ones that don't fit your purposes then mold others to fit your agenda. If you have any more on the actual facts, we could discuss it... but your posts have been more word twisting than actual discussion.
If you have nothing to add??? Why continue?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
When a known American Al Qaeda Terrorist who was a valid target of attack and wanted by the CIA, was known to be riding in a car accompanied by other Terrorists, the CIA, knowing he was an American citizen, which would require authorization from the White House got permission and killed him in 2001 in Yemen.
Collateral damage is killing to (usually civilians) or others who are not directly targeted in the attack. This American Terrorist was himself a target but also among other targets in the car. His death was not incidental, but on purpose.
Regardless of all of this...You are in favor of assassinating U.S. citizens without due process. That Box, is undeniable.
Propaganda is coming from the statist like you that believe in targeted killing of U.S. citizens without due process. This is unprecedented in American history. You can keep on bringing up the 2002 air strike, but it doesn't even compare to the STATED POLICY of this current administration. A policy of compiling a CIA hit list of U.S. citizens. How does anybody know if they are on the list? Nobody knows the list’s guidelines…THEY ARE SECRET.
You can bring up as many examples as you want in an attempt to make everything relative. The fact is...This is relative to NOTHING ever seen in America. We now live under an authoritative government.
This is the "change" Barack Obama promised, how does everybody like it so far?
Regardless of all of this...You are in favor of assassinating U.S. citizens without due process. That Box, is undeniable. Propaganda is coming from the statist like you that believe in targeted killing of U.S. citizens without due process. This is unprecedented in American history. You can keep on bringing up the 2002 air strike, but it doesn't even compare to the STATED POLICY of this current administration. A policy of compiling a CIA hit list of U.S. citizens. How does anybody know if they are on the list? Nobody knows the list’s guidelines…THEY ARE SECRET. You can bring up as many examples as you want in an attempt to make everything relative. The fact is...This is relative to NOTHING ever seen in America. We now live under an authoritative government. This is the "change" Barack Obama promised, how does everybody like it so far?
Cicero continues to post nothing new... all covered ground. His interpretations of my views are always distorted to fit his agenda.
I stand by my post.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Cicero continues to post nothing new... all covered ground. His interpretations of my views are always distorted to fit his agenda.
I stand by my post.
Box still hasn't answered - What is the criteria for an American citizen to end up on the CIA assassination list? Better yet, how do you get OFF the CIA hit list. There's no agenda, I just want clarification, and it sounds like you are knowledgable and have some insight. You surely have answers to these questions.
Some interesting reading on Anwar al-Awlaki: Al-Awlaki has been linked to al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula's (AQAP) attempted bombing of a U.S. passenger jet over Detroit on Christmas day, 2009. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the 19-year-old Nigerian who attempted to blow up the flight to Detroit in 2009, may have met al-Awlaki, and was trained at camps run by the cleric, when he traveled to Yemen just before his attack. Al-Awlaki's voluminous online preaching, in both video and print form, is also thought to have inspired Ft. Hood shooter Nidal Hasan, who is facing charges of killing 13 people at the Texas military base. He is also linked to Time Square car bomber Faisal Shahzad, who left a car bomb that did not explode in the busy New York City hub.
BTW, Anwar al-Awlak met with two of the WTC Sept 11 Terrorists...Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Below is a timeline of significant dates in al-Awlaki's life.
April 22, 1971, born in New Mexico to Yemeni parents.
In 1978, family returns to Yemen where father serves as agriculture minister, professor at Sanaa University.
In 1991, al-Awlaki returns to U.S. to study civil engineering at Colorado State University, then education studies at San Diego State University and later does doctoral work at George Washington University in Washington.
In 2000, al-Awlaki starts preaching in San Diego mosque where he met two of the Sept. 11 hijackers, Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi.
Al-Awlaki becomes preacher at Dar Al Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Virginia, outside Washington.
After Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, al-Awlaki was interviewed at least four times in two weeks about his dealings with three of the hijackers aboard the flight that slammed into the Pentagon. The Sept. 11 Commission report said al-Awlaki was also investigated by the FBI in 1999 and 2000. None of the investigations led to criminal charges against him.
Returns to Sanaa in 2004.
In 2006, Yemeni authorities arrest al-Awlaki with a group of five Yemenis suspected of kidnapping a Shiite Muslim teenager for ransom. He is released without trial after a year in prison following the intercession of his tribe.
In 2007, after release from prison, al-Awlaki moves to the Awalik tribal heartland in eastern province of Shabwa, an al-Qaida stronghold, living in his family home in the mountain hamlet of Saeed and occasionally preaching in a local mosque.
Exchanged up to 20 emails with U.S. Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, alleged killer of 13 people in the Nov. 5, 2009, rampage at Fort Hood.
On Dec. 24, 2009, al-Awlaki was believed to be at a gathering of al-Qaida figures in Yemen's Shabwa mountains, a day before the Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab tried to blow up the airliner near Detroit. Yemeni warplanes, using U.S. intelligence help, struck the tents but al-Awlaki and others were believed to have driven off hours earlier.
In New York, the Pakistani-American man who pleaded guilty to the May 2010 Times Square car bombing attempt said he was "inspired" by al-Awlaki after making contact over the Internet.
Al-Awlaki is believed to have had a hand in mail bombs addressed to Chicago-area synagogues, packages intercepted in Dubai and Europe in October 2010.
In March 2010, an al-Awlaki tape was released in which he urged American Muslims to mount attacks in the U.S.
In April 2010, President Barack Obama makes al-Awlaki the first American placed on the CIA target list.
In May 2011, as Yemen is gripped by an uprising against President Ali Abdullah Saleh's regime, a U.S. drone targets al-Awlaki but again the mission fails.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Republican leaders on Friday praised the dealth of al-Awlaki and Mr. Obama's leadership. GOP presidential candidate and Texas Gov. Rick Perry called al-Awlaki's death "an important victory in the war on terror."
"I want to congratulate the United States military and intelligence communities - and President Obama for sticking with the government's longstanding and aggressive anti-terror policies - for getting another key international terrorist," Perry said in a statement.
Rep. Mike Rogers, chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, called the killing of al-Awlaki "another great step forward in breaking the back of Al Qaeda."
Rep. Peter King, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, called it "a great success in our fight against al-Qaeda" and "a tremendous tribute to President Obama and the men and women of our intelligence community."
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Is this the SAME Anwar al -Awlaki that led prayers for Muslim Congressional Staffers INSIDE the U.S. Capitol AFTER 9-11? This is the guy Box suddenly wants assassinated by our government without due process.
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