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my oh my....where are those hollywood court jesters with too much time on their hands who want to lead these poor poor folks......oh dear hollywood with a bunch of foot massagers/spray tan/house cleaners/nannys etc to lead those
that are just too stupid to be actors....oh my...where's Susan Sarandon/Sean Penn/Rosie O'Donnell and the rest of their posse......gee..I wonder what their accountants do with their millions that they ACTED for....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Movie production companies are good corporations.  The producer, director, and the stars make millions, while the extras and stage hands make squat.  But of course that's fair.


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ALBANY — More than 2,100 state employees collected both salaries and pensions last year, with 35 of them receiving more than $200,000 in combined compensation, a review of state records shows.

About 30 employees are also listed on the payroll of two state employers and received taxpayer-funded pensions, according to records of the State and Local Retirement System obtained by Gannett's Albany bureau from the Comptroller's Office through a Freedom of Information Law request.

The list is just a snapshot of the double dipping phenomenon in New York state because there are other types of double dipping that could be occurring in public sector employment.

The details show, however, that as Gov. Andrew Cuomo is expected to call for massive state layoffs because of New York's fiscal troubles, some employees have been able to retire from their jobs, then go back to work and collect a lucrative salary from the state. About 220 employees had made more than $100,000 in pension and salary as of December, the latest figures available.

In some cases, the pension and salary came from the same employer from which they retired, which has raised questions about why some were able to return to the same jobs with a pension.

The records showed 323 state employees as of December were drawing a paycheck and pension from the same employer. About 60 percent of them work for facilities that serve people with developmental disabilities.

In all, 2,129 state employees had collected pensions and salaries last year, a total cost of $131 million, records show. The average employee on the list collected $61,479 in salary and pension. Most earned part-time salaries while in retirement.

Among the findings:




•The highest recipient was George Philip, president of the State University of New York at Albany, who earned a $280,000 salary and a $261,000 pension — a total of $541,000. He spent most of his career working for the state's Teachers Retirement System before moving over to SUNY.


maybe the students need to see the WHOLE picture.....kind of like when the teachers encourage students to send letters to political officials crying for the teachers.....DID THEY TEACH THEM THE WHOLE PICTURE....I didn't think so


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Double-dipping teachers

Posted by Sean Lahman • February 24, 2011 • 10:37 am


Two weeks ago, my colleague Joe Spector and I reported on thousands of state workers who were drawing both a pension and a salary. We found more than 2,100 state employees who were “double-dipping.”The story generated plenty of interest and a lot of feedback from readers.

One gentleman from Penfield wrote with this question: “why does the media almost always neglect to talk about school districts when it comes to offenses such as double dipping?”

It’s a fair question, and there are two answers. First, getting that information is a technically complex task. It’s easy to ask the Penfield school district for a list of employees and how much they earned last year. And it’s easy to ask the state for a list of school employees receiving pensions. But since those figures come from two different databases, connecting the dots between them can be a challenge.

You end up with a Robert Brown who currently works as a teacher and three retired teachers named Robert Brown drawing state pensions, and no way to definitively make a match.



For state workers, we were able to get a list of double dippers by asking the state to identify workers who were in both databases (pensions and payroll). Presumably, they were able to match folks based on SSN or some other unique identifier. We can’t do that with teachers, because the payroll data and pension data comes from three different sources.

Prompted by this reader’s inquiry, I looked at the 2010 payrolls and pensions for Penfield and didn’t find any obvious matches. A quick review of public records showed few if any matches for teachers and other school employees in Monroe County.

But don’t just take my word for it. Payroll information for government workers is available to the public. If you think there’s a name we’re missing, please email me and I’ll look into it.

Public employees are paid with taxpayers dollars. We feel that reporting this information is an important part of our first amendment responsibility to hold elected officials responsible for how they spend that money.

In the past year we’ve published:
•Pay and overtime for Rochester city firefighters
•Pay and overtime for Rochester city police
•Pension data for the 335,000 retirees from New York agencies and local governments
•Pay and expenses for state senators and assembly members
•State workers who received the most overtime pay
•School employees in New York state who earn more than $100,000

Last November, we launched a massive project to get detailed payroll information for each of the towns and villages in Monroe and Ontario counties. Reporter Meaghan McDermott has written about how challenging this has been, and in March we plan to publish the results — a database of everyone who’s worked for a town, village, city, or county in this area since 2005.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Republicans change their mind on Occupy Wall Street.  

Now the Mitt says "I understand how those people feel"!     He has no idea!
Cantor forgets that he called Occupy protesters "MOBS".
Herman Cain goes from "BLAME YOURSELF" to "I don't care about Rich People".

Hypocrites!




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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That's why RON PAUL is the only sane and sensible choice!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Quinnipiac University Poll Finds:
(October 17, 2011)
~ New Yorkers Back Wall St. Protesters 3 - 1,

~By a 67 - 23 percent margin, New York City voters agree with the views of the Wall Street protesters and say:
87 - 10 percent that it is "okay that they are protesting,"

~Agreeing with the protesters views are Democrats 81 - 11 percent and independent voters 58 - 30 percent,
while Republicans disagree 58 - 35 percent...
Republicans, however, agree 73 - 23 percent with the protesters right to be there.

~A total of 72 percent of voters say they understand the protesters' views "very well" or "fairly well,"
with 17 percent who say "not too well"
and 10 percent who say "not well at all."

~Asked who is to blame for the current state of the nation's economy;
37 percent of New York City voters blame the administration of former President George W. Bush;
21 percent blame Wall Street and financial institutions;
18 percent blame Congress;
11 percent blame President Barack Obama.




http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1662&What=&strArea=3;&strTime=0


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Quoted from Box A Rox
Quinnipiac University Poll Finds:
(October 17, 2011)
~ New Yorkers Back Wall St. Protesters 3 - 1,

~By a 67 - 23 percent margin, New York City voters agree with the views of the Wall Street protesters and say:
87 - 10 percent that it is "okay that they are protesting,"

~Agreeing with the protesters views are Democrats 81 - 11 percent and independent voters 58 - 30 percent,
while Republicans disagree 58 - 35 percent...
Republicans, however, agree 73 - 23 percent with the protesters right to be there.

~A total of 72 percent of voters say they understand the protesters' views "very well" or "fairly well,"
with 17 percent who say "not too well"
and 10 percent who say "not well at all."

~Asked who is to blame for the current state of the nation's economy;
37 percent of New York City voters blame the administration of former President George W. Bush;
21 percent blame Wall Street and financial institutions;
18 percent blame Congress;
11 percent blame President Barack Obama.




http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1662&What=&strArea=3;&strTime=0

Yawn... what would you expect from NYC? It's a liberal Democrat haven.... It doesn't really matter whether the pubs and Dems circle the wagons. its the independents what will determine who will win next year...and right now, Obama is in serious trouble against almost any declared candidate.


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The same people that take Box's video as un-bias and in context, are the same people that believe Michael Moore movies are objective documentaries.  In both cases they are videos that are cleverly edited to create a ideological left leaning narrative and help people form their talking points.  In both cases the stories are built on a premise that begs the question.


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Republicans change their mind on Occupy Wall Street.  

Now the Mitt says "I understand how those people feel"!


Remember kids, Mitt is from Mass., The land of supporting something before you don't support it.

Mitt supported abortion before he was against it.
Mitt supported State run healthcare before he was against it




"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'

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Remember kids, Mitt is from Mass., The land of supporting something before you don't support it.

Mitt supported abortion before he was against it.
Mitt supported State run healthcare before he was against it


You're singing to the choir here!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Remember kids, Mitt is from Mass.
Mitt supported State run healthcare before he was against it


Americans with out health care by state:
Low~ Massachusetts     5%
High~Texas     26%     
US Average      17%


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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They are young fools who are trying to channel the sixties. They would have better luck with the Long Island Medium.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Quoted from Box A Rox
Quinnipiac University Poll Finds:
(October 17, 2011)
~ New Yorkers Back Wall St. Protesters 3 - 1,

~By a 67 - 23 percent margin, New York City voters agree with the views of the Wall Street protesters and say:
87 - 10 percent that it is "okay that they are protesting,"

~Agreeing with the protesters views are Democrats 81 - 11 percent and independent voters 58 - 30 percent,
while Republicans disagree 58 - 35 percent...
Republicans, however, agree 73 - 23 percent with the protesters right to be there.

~A total of 72 percent of voters say they understand the protesters' views "very well" or "fairly well,"
with 17 percent who say "not too well"
and 10 percent who say "not well at all."

[b]~Asked who is to blame for the current state of the nation's economy;[/b]
37 percent of New York City voters blame the administration of former President George W. Bush;
21 percent blame Wall Street and financial institutions;
18 percent blame Congress;
11 percent blame President Barack Obama.




http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1662&What=&strArea=3;&strTime=0


ONLY because the 30somethings have him in their recent past memory...as do the 20 somethings and 40 somethings.....hind sight is always 20s/30s......hit the road running with plans galore
investments, following the 'usual' path most travelled....and that road was there long before Bush...only these folks are to young.....the only thing they will remember and will be affected by
is 9/11 and the brave new world of patriot act/homeland security/realID......this protest, although I dont disagree,  will be the next strap for our oxen muzzle.....virtual value will rule, only we know it
and the leaders are to slow to respond.....they forgot to hand out more straw for the bricks.....no different than the social security lie; the let your money work for you lie; the I work this
hard so you dont have to lie......shame shame shame

so here is the discussion.....capitalism bad/good?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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I guess I'll go first....

capitalism because I have choices = good

socialism because I'm like you = bad

communism because we dont trust eachother = bad


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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