First of all.............thanks for posting the video...GREAT JOB by tanner.
Second...............from what I'm reading and perhaps I'm not understanding.....but did they (cops) know exactly 'who' this guy was before/when they arrived on the scene? Did they know ahead of time who/what kind of 'criminal' they were dealing with? Did they know his past criminal record, 'before' they shot at him? Or was this information found out 'after the fact'?
If they 'didn't' know who or what they were dealing with.......then perhaps cissy is correct on his 'minority report' theory.......yes?
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
This statement reads like Minority Report with Tom Cruise.
EEK!! You know you're right it does sound a little weird doesn't it. My thoughts don't always translate into words the way I'd like. Never saw the movie you refer to BTW.
Just trying to support the cops. It's probably best to wait and see what the investigation yields. Speculating on it doesn't do much good unless you're on TV.
EEK!! You know you're right it does sound a little weird doesn't it. My thoughts don't always translate into words the way I'd like. Never saw the movie you refer to BTW.
If you get a chance to watch the movie you should. It's pretty good. The premise is, the police have a "pre-crime" unit that is actually able stop crimes before they are committed.
The DWI law is an example of pre crime laws. You COULD hurt or kill somebody driving while intoxicated. Then the State continually lowers the BAC level and treats everybody as if alcohol affects them the same. This creates more criminals of course. I'm not saying the DWI laws are all bad. People need to operate a motor vehicle responsibly. But they should at least have probable cause like reckless driving to charge a person. Not DWI checkpoints. But we’ve given up our rights to our masters a LONG time ago in the name of safety.
I support our police and I can understand some of the tough decisions they are faced with. With having granted the police the power and authority to decide when or when not to take a life comes great responsibility. Not every police officers is a good one(regardless what the PBA says), just like in ANY profession, sometimes you get a square peg for a round hole. So I will take the side of the citizens and approach it with skepticism, and not blindly support the police's decision to kill.
Not every police officers is a good one(regardless what the PBA says), just like in ANY profession, sometimes you get a square peg for a round hole.
Agreed. I'm a little biased I guess since I do have 2 cousins in law enforcement. Also known quite a few of the good Schenectady and Rotterdam cops over the years. Bugs me that the good cops don't get enough recognition when they do the right thing and get lumped in with the bad ones when things go wrong.
Dad taught us kids how to use a firearm. One thing he would repeatedly tell us is never ever let me see the front of the barrel of your weapon.
Dad had been a drill instructor in the states for a while in WWII then spent a very long time in combat in the Philippines his reasons for his rule was one my brothers and I understood.
I think the speculating, in this type of forum, is a good way for us to understand different points of view in the community, without actually doing any harm. I wouldn't want to write a letter to the paper with my name on it at this point, because none of us have a complete picture, but then there isn't another way to have people who think differently look at some of the points I raise. Alias, Cicero, Cel, etc. all have added something to the discussion that we won't see in any official report. The news media will present the cops viewpoint and some in the neighborhood, most likely. I think we in the community need a full understanding of what the whole community expects from our police department. I think possibly if Bennett weren't having to devote so much time to bringing the department up to an adequate level as opposed to the worse than dysfunctional level it has been at for so long, we might not be having this problem now but that is water under the bridge. I think he and Mark Chaires bothare at least interested in having a quality force, which is a great improvement on what went before. This ties into the downtown thread because we all remember that movie, Fort Apache, and what has happened is that the area outside the Fort has been moved upstate. Seriously. New York got suspiciously safer as Schenectady became more and more dangerous, and the politicians' response was not tosee it. Now we have a "vibrant" new stockade, Fort Downtown. It is interesting that someone compared it to Brazil because Brazil has lavish displays ofwealth and "the good life" side by side with horrifying crime and poverty. Private homes have locked gates. To even mention Brazil in that propaganda piece was stupid, stupid, stupid. Okay. I'm done with my rant. I don't like to see my city this way, I guess that makes me negative.
Liberal democraps thought it would be outstanding to move the wonderful people of the Bronx here in order to offer them welfare to helllllllllllp them. And to have more democrap voters. Yep, it worked and the democrap party achieved success via the destruction of the community, as they seek benefit for themselves via the destruction of America. And the democraps that run law enforcement and the justice system were woefully liberal and tolerant (and still are) and just don't "get" why these people act criminally because they view them as nice people who are misguided or perhaps underprivledged...
...they want to helllllllllllllp them!
And the cycle continues...
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
As for the flood from downstate.....they purchased their 'safety' and there were folks here who were willing to keep the redline in place, but I think they are tired of the crap now and there isn't enough $$ to go around.....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Schenectady official: Tasers no use in gun cases Thursday, August 18, 2011 By Steven Cook (Contact) Gazette Reporter
SCHENECTADY — Tasers given to Schenectady police earlier this year are not appropriate to use against a suspect threatening with a handgun, Public Safety Commissioner Wayne Bennett said Wednesday. Twenty of the electroshock weapons were issued to city police earlier this year and have been used at least twice to subdue suspects. Tasers were discussed after the department’s Aug. 1, 2009, fatal shooting of the knife-wielding James Tomlin as possibly another tool officers could have used to de-escalate the situation. Bennett declined to address Friday’s police shooting of 33-year-old Luis Rivera, a man police said pulled away from officers and pointed a gun at them, but generally, Bennett said, Tasers are not to be used against someone threatening with a gun. Tasers are best used from a distance and then if there’s a club or a knife involved, Bennett said. “That whole dynamic changes if the other person is armed with a firearm,” Bennett said. “Just the time it would take for the darts of the Taser to reach the individual, the individual may have already discharged at least two rounds.”.............................>>>>......................>>>>..........................http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2011/aug/18/0818_tasers/
They are arming up better than most of the armies around the globe, so don't ever worry about that. The battlefield-massive firepower and force doctrine of their training is to blame. Armored cars, Hummers, post mounted machine guns, bazookas, grenades, fully auto military spec armaments, the whole remuda. Your cares on that are misplaced. In twenty years it will be tanks, until they become a standing, nationwide army, and no one wlll notice as it occurs. It is tough to blame the cop on the street. Blame the political higher ups and the politicians. You will need to pass through military checkpoints from town to town, not to mention state to state someday. It will be "for the kids."
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
After the shooting a relative of the deceased stated on the news that the gun was not loaded or operative (lacked a spring). Has this been confirmed? From instances in the past I recall that when a like situation such as this occured, it was reported fairly soon, to justify the officers shooting, that the perpetrators gun was loaded/operative. This quelled/defused much of the suspicion of lack of justification on the officers part. It's curious that at least this piece of fact has not yet been released. Surely this much is fact-whether the gun was loaded/operative or not. What would be the purpose of witholding this fact?
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Never saw the movie you refer to BTW. 
