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Box A Rox
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Some women regret having an abortion.  Many women regret the circumstances that caused them to seek an abortion.  Some women who have an abortion for medical reasons consider it a life saving procedure... with out it they would have died.  Some women will point to a family of 4 adult children, and know that if they had not had an abortion long ago, those 4 adults would not be here today.  
Some women will regret NOT having an abortion after an ambio centesis showed gross abnormalities at 6 weeks of development. Had she opted for an abortion then, she would now have a family of 4 or 5 children.
Some women consider an abortion a mistake... Some see it as a remedy for a mistake or insets.

Abortion is a very personal decision and IMO not a political issue.


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the government just doesn't belong there.......here's an idea....a battered woman wants to have an abortion because she doesn't want 'his' baby
(she should have left before that, but that's another issue)....so she continues the pregnancy,,,,should he be castrated?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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If a man masturbates into a petri dish containing human eggs, he waits a few hours, then starts the dish on fire... Cicero would call that MURDER.

A clump of cells is a clump of cells.  They may one day under the right conditions become a human being... (most do not) but until then, they are just a clump of cells.


Like I discussed in earlier posts...That clump of cells goes from human being to clump of cells depending on who decides to terminate the life.  If a lawyer can make money off of a malpractice lawsuit, then it's a human life.  If a pregnancy is terminated early because of an assault, the person committing the assault can be charged with manslaughter or murder.

All that Rowe v Wade did was grant legal immunity for the mother carrying the baby.  For all others, harm to the unborn is protected by law.


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the government just doesn't belong there.......here's an idea....a battered woman wants to have an abortion because she doesn't want 'his' baby
(she should have left before that, but that's another issue)....so she continues the pregnancy,,,,should he be castrated?


You keep on leaving out the unborn baby.  You're more interested in vengeance toward men than the life or death of an unborn baby.  How about the women have the baby (since the baby is guilty of nothing) and both the man and woman get sterilized.  How's that for justice?/tic


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You keep on leaving out the unborn baby.  You're more interested in vengeance toward men than the life or death of an unborn baby.  How about the women have the baby (since the baby is guilty of nothing) and both the man and woman get sterilized.  How's that for justice?/tic


who takes care of the baby?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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who takes care of the baby?


Orphanages...


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You keep on leaving out the unborn baby.  You're more interested in vengeance toward men than the life or death of an unborn baby.  How about the women have the baby (since the baby is guilty of nothing) and both the man and woman get sterilized.  How's that for justice?/tic


An unborn baby?

An  unbought purchase... is Not a purchase.
An unsigned contract... is Not a contract.
An unowed debt... is NOT a debt.
An unlost penny... is NOT lost.
An Unborn baby... is Not a baby.

A clump of cells IS guilty of nothing... so is an appendix, a fingernail or a human hair... all are guilty of nothing, all are human cells and all are removed regularly.



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An unborn baby?

An  unbought purchase... is Not a purchase.
An unsigned contract... is Not a contract.
An unowed debt... is NOT a debt.
An unlost penny... is NOT lost.
An Unborn baby... is Not a baby.


This is another GREAT example of the sick mind of a left wing totalitarian, comparing human life to business transactions.

These don't even make sense..."An unsigned contract...is Not a contract” Well, yes it is, just not signed..
"An unlost penny...is NOT lost"  Ummmm...But it's still a penny...Right?

An unborn baby is not a baby...UNLESS...A malpractice lawsuit is filed or the unborn is assaulted by somebody other than the mother or by the direction of the mother.


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This is another GREAT example of the sick mind of a left wing totalitarian, comparing human life to business transactions.
These don't even make sense..."An unsigned contract...is Not a contract” Well, yes it is, just not signed..


YUP! You're catching on...
An unsigned contract has no validity...  Unsigned it's just paper with ink... once signed it has an entirely different value.  Once signed a contract has binding properties beyond just some paper and ink.  
(Maybe there is hope for Cic yet!)


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YUP! You're catching on...
An unsigned contract has no validity...  Unsigned it's just paper with ink... once signed it has an entirely different value.  Once signed a contract has binding properties beyond just some paper and ink.  
(Maybe there is hope for Cic yet!)


Well no, based on your belief, the paper an ink wouldn't exist either.  Except in the case of a malpractice lawsuit, then the paper and ink exists, and is actually NOW a signed contract.


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an unsigned contract is still a contract in 'faith' between 2 parties and their expectations of each to uphold their end of the agreement

an unborn clump of cells/baby is still cells/baby in 'faith' between 2 parties and their expectations of each to uphold their end of the agreement

what happens to the contract if it is not signed?
what happens to the cells/baby if it is not born?

what happens if the contract is signed?
what happens if the cells/baby is born?

what happens if one of the 2 parties do not hold up their end of the agreement of the contract?
what happens if one of the 2 parties do not hold up their end of the agreement of the cells/baby?

where should the government be involved in either scenario?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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I think he's Canadian


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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In my conversations with folks in the 12 states that I recently toured --- I have heard a lot of support for Governor Perry and his presidential campaign .. and little support for President Obama.   Obviously, this is not a scientific poll by any stretch ...  but many of these states are states the president must win to win reelection -- and he just doesn't seem to have any support out there.  These were were folks in urban, suburban and rural locations --- still not much support for the president and lots of positive things said about Governor Perry.


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In my conversations with folks in the 12 states that I recently toured --- I have heard a lot of support for Governor Perry and his presidential campaign .. and little support for President Obama.   .


Kinda weird he jumped to 1st place before he even made it known was his stances were, he missed the first 2 debates. I think this shows the power the MSM has over those who don't wish to think for themselves



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