Quoted from Smoking Bananas

as i said before, he no longer has the exemption... they removed him from it for next year ... dig.. it will affect one payment, and he will have to pay a fine.. understand, comprendo? unlike you, I followed up on the matter and learned the truth...

as to your other statements... that is happening EVERYWHERE ------ get a grip,. MC hammer

for mortgage statis go to this site: http://www.foreclosurenationthebook.com/topics.aspx?id=54&cat=Foreclosure%20Statistics

for grime go to: http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2010/citycrime2010-2011.htm  [scehenctady does not even make the list]

if i had less of a life, I would spend more time researching your other statements,,, sorry

THe first link is NOT ANYTHING specific to Schenectady, it is NOT a sight containing any official records.    Yes, there are foreclosures across the country.....due the fed govt starting to try to make sure everyone owns a house, back when dems ruled in the 1990s, Clinton was Pres, Cuomo was head of HUD which gives these FHA loans with no down payment to people who couldn't get a real mortgage.

We are talking about Schenectady city homeowners who are struggling to pay their taxes because their taxes have been raised to almost the highest in the whole country in order to cover the taxes of the millioniares and billionaires downtown.


Your second link - it doesn't exist      And besides, by way of the wording in the address, even if it did exist all it is a tabloid site.   Produce an official crime stat sight such as the state of NY, and then show me crime is going down

With all of the tax money being dumped into schenectady over the last decade+..........Schenectady should be well ahead of the foreclosure/economic game in comparison to the rest of the country. People should be flocking here!

no matter, just google the facts,,,

schenectady is no different than antywhere else.

tell how you would fix things, please? i would love to hear your ideas.....

Quoted from Smoking Bananas

no matter, just google the facts,,,

schenectady is no different than antywhere else.

tell how you would fix things, please? i would love to hear your ideas.....

No googling.   Just go to OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT websites.    I don't use tabloid websites often produced by personal opinions

Quoted from Smoking Bananas

as i said before, he no longer has the exemption... they removed him from it for next year ... dig.. it will affect one payment, and he will have to pay a fine.. understand, comprendo? unlike you, I followed up on the matter and learned the truth...

But you provide no proof whatsoever.   The assessment roll for 2012 is NOT available yet.  

Let's see your proof.   Let's see the newspapers and perhaps the "you paid for it" segments on the news pick up on this.  Let's hear it ON THE NEWS from the city assessor himself.   Let's see the official public records showing the cancelled check from Morris paying the penalty for stealing from the financially strugging taxpayers of the city.  

Quoted from Smoking Bananas

tell how you would fix things, please? i would love to hear your ideas.....

Remove ALL proeprty and school tax exemptions from all those downtown properties owned by those rich poliical cronies of the dems.   Make them pay their own property and school taxes.  

Proctors IS TOTALLY a for profit business and so remove the not-for-profit status and make it pay full property and school taxes.   Just because it makes a FEW, small handful of "scholarships" for it's summer camp, what, that costs them a couple hundred doillars a year, but they take in a whopping $5 million allegedly in one week from just one show.    A couple hundred in a scholarship is like a grain of sand on Cape Cod.  

Price Chopper is a for-profit business and it spends gazillion timers more in charitable causes than Proctors "gives" in charity and Price Chopper is a for profit and pays taxes on the stores.  


In no way, manner, shape, or form is Proctors a not-for-profit   Sure, it pays the companies that put on shows, but even ALL the for-profit theaters around the country that put on Broadway shows pay the companies that put on the shows.    Proctors has that uppity catering hall for the rich ans wealthy.   Where is the charity in that?????      If Proctors was a non-profit, it would be totally feeding summer lunches for the kids....there would be no need for sites around the city, Proctors would do it at it's catering hall and feed all the poor children out of it's own pocket.  


And plex needs to stop stealing from the taxapyers and giving out handouts for downtown.   All the hundreds of mllions downtown and people in Schenectady STILL have to leave the city in order to shop for things they need and want.

Make all these millionaires and billionaires downtown pay their own taxes, they can more than afford it.

Interesting that Smoking Bananas is concerned with OUR ideas on how to fix the City...what, the DEMS don't have a clue for the November election?

They don't. They don't know how to fix the mess they've created.

SB, go back to your DEMS and tell them to open their eyes. Tell them that if they don't have a clue now, they never will. Tell them that we've stated over and over and over again what's wrong with the City and if they are so blind as to the reality, well start packing.

Quoted from PatZ

You're a really funny guy.

Great work MC. I can only hope that people start to pay attention to what I believe is outright fraud perpetrated on the Taxpaying Public by these so-called officials.

Clearly 60% if Schenectady's problems are caused by the public's ignorance. The rest are clearly caused by its "leaders."

Pat, the residents of the city need you to bring this up at city council meeting during POF.   I'd LOVE to see the camera showing, not your face, but the faces of McCarthy and company when you would bring that up.   Most likely Morris and McCarthy would make sure that the signal is lost if you and/or anyone spoke about Morris having two STAR exemptions.  

And of course, when there are debates for fall elections, this needs to be brought up, not just Morris STAR exemption, but all downtown exemptions.  

Could you imagine the debates taking place on the stage of Proctors.   I can just imagine someone asking a certain question, and then Pat would have her turn to answer.  Imagine her briefly mentioning how a small group of VOLUNTEERS (unpaid) wanted to fix up Proctors and how it grew----here Pat would look up to the ceiling and around the room, arms stretching out as if to point---to this beneficiary of tens of millions of tax dollars from the financially struggling taxpayers and how it takes in millions from shows and all the businesses it collects rents from and then----as Pat points to the audience and says----and all of YOU are paying the property and school taxes.    

Just imagine that happening on Proctor's stage!  

ALL businesses should be put back on the tax rolls.
ALL empire zoned businesses open their books to show the increase in employees, every 6 months.
Proctors to become a 'for profit' business.......sink or swim.
Privatize garbage collection in the city.
Privatize the glendale home.
Cut 10% from each tax paid department.
Any recipient of the  metroplex should not be on the board or associated with it's inner workings.
The metroplex bidding process to be available to the public.
Make Marcella's and Villa Italia pay the taxpayers back the money they used/stole to 'move/relocate' them.
Desolve the county legislature and form a Board of Supervisors. (that will save the taxpayers TONS)
Lower the lucrative welfare package.
Audit the DSS.
ALL city employees & city elected officials are to live in the city.

...........and this is just a start!!

Some more.

Mayor, city council, and dept heads must file financial disclosure, maybe they do, but it's not published.   None of those people should ever have any financial interest in any business or NFP that get's tax dollars.

Anyone in those above positions should NOT sit on any of those other boards like IDA or Plex, etc while serving in the elected or dept head capacity.

People who sit on those boards should also file financial disclosure and it should be published.

Any business or NFP getting tax dollars should have their leaders and board members file financial disclosure

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Interesting that Smoking Bananas is concerned with OUR ideas on how to fix the City...what, the DEMS don't have a clue for the November election?

Much like Obama and the "Progressive" Democrats in Congress.  They have no ideas and no proposals for creating jobs,
restoring the wealth lost by the American people during Obama's economic recession, or reducing the property foreclosure rate.
Obama jets around the nation telling dwindling audiences that the economic malaise is the fault of the Republicans and the Tea
Party.  The Democratic controlled Congress didn't even pass a budget in 2010.  They are bankrupt of ideas other than increasing
taxes so that they can waste the revenues as they did with the stimulus packages.

The American people are not ignorant.  Obama's overall approval rate is less than 40%.  Less than 30% support the way in
which he has handled the economy.  Change is coming.  The Tea Party is organizing and mobilizing for the 2012 elections.  Like
that miserable failure Jimmy Carter, Obama will be a one-termer.

under your proposal, businesses WO"ULD NOT move to downtown,... why would they move there, where the cost of doing business is higher than the burbs,  unless they had an incentive,. that is how economic development works...

i disagree 100 percent with u that proctors is for-profit. it received a nonprofit elibilbity tax status, therefore it is a nonprofit.  the nonprofit status also applies to SLOC and to the YMCA, etc. the law allows these organizations to exists,. saying they shouldn;t is nonsense.

but thanks for sharing your ideas,

Economic development does not work by simply allowing a business (which is already in the City) a free building with no taxes for a decade in Downtown. That's stupidity on the most basic level.

Non-profits like WMHT offer music to the masses, scholarships, free programs for children and you know what, THEY HAVE FUND DRIVES! They are supported by the public, not $10 million given by the Metroplex. When the tax free rides Downtown end, you'll be left with empty building again - the imaging place on Albany Street left as did the car dealership.

The first thing that should be done in Schenectady is to dissolve the Metroplex, take back all the exempt deals and let's get a backbone in the City. Metroplex has been a complete tax liability and needs to be stopped.  

Quoted from Smoking Bananas

under your proposal, businesses WO"ULD NOT move to downtown,... why would they move there, where the cost of doing business is higher than the burbs,  unless they had an incentive,. that is how economic development works...

i disagree 100 percent with u that proctors is for-profit. it received a nonprofit elibilbity tax status, therefore it is a nonprofit.  the nonprofit status also applies to SLOC and to the YMCA, etc. the law allows these organizations to exists,. saying they shouldn;t is nonsense.

but thanks for sharing your ideas,

Proctors is NOTHING like SLOC or the YMCA!!!!!!!!!     SLOC is virtually all volunteer, with local people putting on shows a few times a year.   the YMCA is a place that provides services to the homeless!!!!!!!!

Proctors brings in elaborate, lavish, expensive Broadway productions, it was reported that in ONE MONTH, just ONE MONTH ALONE, it brought in a whoppikng $5 MILLION, and that was from one show only.   Granted not all shows will bring in that much, but they certainly are not small little volunteer efforts.   Then you have to remember all the money Proctors collects in high rents from the hotsy totsy catering hall---catering to the rich.   And they had the expensive jewelry business, and of course they bailed out of there.  Proctors collect BIG BUCKS just like any other for profit on Broadway.  Tell us where the performers come from or West Side story?    ARe they Schenectadians doing it without pay?  

Tell us SB, what homeless people did that catering hall feed??????????    

And then, as far as all of downtown, tell us WHY do millionaires and billionaires need money from the financially struggling homeowners in order to come to Schenectady?

WHY should a billioniare be exempt from paying the taxes while homeowners with household incomes of $30,000 or $40,000, who pay their own proeprty taxes, why should these financially struggling families pay the property taxes for the billionaire?

The Hampton Inn is party of the worldwide multi million or billion dollar Hilton familiy.   Tell us WHY should they be exempt from paying property taxes?

Why should the govt take money away from families who struggle financially in order to give the money to multimillionaires as a bribe to come here?????

And SB, tell us, with all the handouts, these "incentives", tell us what has it done for the homeowners in the city??????    Tell us what has happened to their tax bills?    Tell us WHY a nearly identiical house in Saratoga and worth more than twice the amount of the house in Schenectady, pays less taxes than Schenectady??????    Tell us how come in the midst of all these "incentives" how come the property values in the city were plummeting even before all the Wall st stuff and everything in late 2008?????    How come???????    How come houses outside the city sell much quicker than in the city?   Tell us how come so many people in the city have put their houses up for sale????    Tell us how all these incentives to downtown has helped the neighborhoods where the people--the taxapyers---live??????    Tell us how these incentives given out to the rich have helped the infrastructure---the sewers, the watermains, the roads---in the city.    Can you tell us that??????
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WTF does giving out free food have to be with being a nonprofit. almost ALL arts organizations are nonprofits,

give it up., u lost this argument.

the opera in NYC is nonprofit, and their budget is as big if not bigger. the Met is nonproft, etc. the point is arts centers are nonprofits.
the forprofit arm of proctos pays a pilot.

hampton in pays a pilot


if u do not like the law, which allows these exemptions to be granted, seek to change it. otherwise u r pissing in the wind, cause these deals have been around for DECADES.......

and proctos helps downtown and the city just be existing,, why would anyone want to come to downtown were it not for proctors? to see tumbleweeds blowing down the street.