"Militant Extremists in the United States " from the Council on Foreign Relations.
LEFT-WING GROUPS: The FBI states leftist extremist groups "generally profess a revolutionary socialist doctrine and view themselves as protectors of the people against the "dehumanizing effects" of capitalism and imperialism." From 1960 to the mid-1980s, most acts of extremist violence were committed by leftist factions like the Weather Underground. A wellspring of disaffected, radical youth with ideological roots in the civil rights, women's liberation, and anti-war movements provided these groups with much of their militant fervor. However, broad left-wing violence has been in a marked decline since the fall of the Soviet Union and a successful FBI infiltration campaign in the mid-1980s.
SINGLE-ISSUE GROUPS: Single-issue extremists attack targets that embody distinct political issues like environmental degradation, abortion, genetic engineering, or animal abuse. These groups are usually composed of small, autonomous cells that are hard to infiltrate because of rigid secrecy. According to the FBI, so-called eco-terrorists and animal rights groups like the Earth Liberation Front have committed over two thousand crimes and caused losses of over $110 million since 1979. Ecological extremism (BaltimoreSun) gained particular notoriety in the 1990s, and in 2004 the FBI declared these groups the No. 1 domestic terrorism threat. Anti-abortion extremists are responsible for seven murders, forty-one bombings, and 173 acts of arson in the U.S. and Canada since 1977, according to the National Abortion Federation, an abortion rights group. While much of this violence peaked in the 1990s (PDF), the 2009 murder of Dr. George Tiller (NYT) served as a reminder of the threat still posed by these factions.
RIGHT-WING GROUPS: The most recent swell of extremist violence began to emerge from right-wing militants in the late-1980s and 1990s. According to a 2005 FBI report on terrorism, these groups, which are "primarily in the form of domestic militias and conservative special interest causes, began to overtake left-wing extremism as the most dangerous, if not the most prolific, domestic terrorist threat to the country." Right-wing extremists champion a wide variety of causes, including racial supremacy, hatred and suspicion of the federal government, and fundamentalist Christianity. The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks the activities of hate groups, suggests militia groups declined every year since 1996 but have seen a dramatic resurgence since 2008.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Yea, it's me and Obama against America. Read the part about "denial" once more.
Denial is a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.
So now it's Me and Obama and the FBI and The Dept of Homeland Security... all of us teaming up against the good people of America.
I give up for today... Your reading comprehension must be eluding you.
Denial is a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.
Read Sophism - A sophism is a specious argument used for deception. It might be crafted to appear logical while actually representing a falsehood, or it might use obscure words and complicated sentence constructions in order to intimidate the opponent into agreement out of fear of feeling foolish. Other techniques include manipulating the opponents prejudices and emotions to overcome their logical facilities
Just when Cicero "gave up for today" he returns to again prove his inability to show the Dept of Homeland Security report on Right Wing Terrorists, to be anything but accurate.
He wishes it weren't true... He protests that they are lying... He pleads, cries and begs to find any fact in the report inaccurate...
But in the end, he is left with the facts... Right Wing Terrorism in the United States is a fact.
(All his efforts to discredit the George Worst Bush authorized report are aimed at me... but I didn't write the report, I just agree with it. With no where else to go... he attacks the messenger, which in itself is an admission that he has no rebuttal to the message.) Poor Cicero.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
That was kind of you box to provide an example of sophism. Greatly appreciated.
Cicero ducks he bobs he weaves... he throws his best and hugs the ropes in a traditional rope a dope... but on the subject of Terrorism in general and specifically President George Worst Bush's report from the Dept of Homeland Security on RIGHT WING TERRORISM IN AMERICA... poor Cicero is on the mat, delirious, semi conscious and long past the referee's count of 10.
I'd be glad to hear any thing about that report specifically or just Right Wing Terrorism in general, but Cicero is headed to the ER for a brain scan... it appears empty.
It's time to grab the Jetski and cool off!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
(All his efforts to discredit the George Worst Bush authorized report are aimed at me... but I didn't write the report, I just agree with it. With no where else to go... he attacks the messenger, which in itself is an admission that he has no rebuttal to the message.) Poor Cicero.
Box, the "Bush authorized report" was written before Obama became president. How was Bush and the Department of Homeland Security able to predict right wing resentment against a black president that wasn't even a candidate when the report was written? Again, another example of sophistry.
I only attack the messenger when the messengers message attempts to pass illogical sophist arguments.
When on one hand you claim that right wing "terrorist" is in response to a black president. Then on the other hand, you reference a DHS report written under the Bush Administration before Obama was even president to support your racism theory. THEY DON'T ADD UP. It is ILLOGICAL. One has no relationship with the other, except in your illogical world.
If right wing radicalism was happening during the Bush Administration - THEN OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T CAUSED BY RACISM SINCE OBAMA WASN'T EVEN A NATIONAL FIGURE...IT WAS BUSH'S BIG GOVERNMENT POLICIES. OBAMA CONTINUED AND DOUBLED DOWN ON BUSH BIG GOVERNMENT POLICIES, AND THAT IS WHY American conservatives are upset, PUBLIC POLICY - NOT RACE.
My opinion... There are Americans that will never accept that a black man is their president. Not very complicated, and disguised as Tax issues or Socialism issues. The system is not much different than when Bill Clinton was in office. Most Americans now pay less in tax than they did under Clinton, so a tax protest doesn't make sense. What's different??? Clinton and Bush were white... Obama is black.
Again Box if everything they listed is supposedly caused by government fck ups and unconstitutional laws who is to blame. What DHS is saying is that some people might be pushed over the edge because the government isn't doing their jobs and is infringing on our rights. I will be the 1st person to admit people on the right might snap after seeing their country go down the crapper. The left and those who believe in big government believe in a pure form of democracy and that ends up pushing the minority into a corner. We see many right now who are trying like hell to change things politically and peacefully, Tea Party, Liberty movement, etc, all they want is for the government to stay the hell out of their life and to protect our liberties, I don't think that is to much to ask for do you.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
It's so difficult teaching history to the unwilling, on a message board.
Barack Obama announced his candidacy for President of the USA on Feb 10, 2007. Like many of today's candidates, it was obvious he might run long before that date. The date of the Homeland Security Report??? April 7, 2009. 2 years and 2 months AFTER Obama officially announced that he was running. and 5 months AFTER Barack Obama won the presidency.
So we can see that Cicero's post: ~ " How was Bush and the Department of Homeland Security able to predict right wing resentment against a black president that wasn't even a candidate when the report was written? Again, another example of sophistry." ~ ... is just more of Cicero's "creative history"...(He makes it up as he goes along) BTW , Cicero just provided us with... How did he put it??? Oh yea... "Again, another example of sophistry"
Both Henry and Cicero were adults at the time Barack Obama was running and won the US Presidency... but they seem to forget all the press about the huge increase in threats against Obama. Maybe they were watching Fox News, or maybe their personal perspective lets them tune out news that doesn't fit their agenda.
From The Daily Telegraph, Aug3, 2009... 3 months after Obama took office: ~ "US President Barack Obama is the target of more than 30 potential death threats a day and is being protected by an increasingly over-stretched and under-resourced Secret Service. Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush"... A 400% INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF THREATS TO THE US PRESIDENT... BUT Cicero and Henry don't even remotely suspect it may be due to RACISM! The Secret Service attribute the increase to (HUH GUESS WHAT) Right Wing Militia, and White Supremacist.
Most threats against the President are kept a secret but just a few did manage to hit the press. For example: ~ "an alleged plot by white supremacists in Tennessee to rob a gun store, shoot 88 black people, decapitate another 14 and then assassinate the first black president in American history." ~ (sounds like RACISM to me, but if I post that, I'll just be accused of "playing the race card" again.) HINT: When you are talking about threats by 'white supremacists' you're quite likely talking about Racism.
Some Conservatives can't face the fact that Right Wing Terrorists are active and dangerous in this country... so THEY PRETEND THAT THEY DON'T EXIST.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
What DHS is saying is that some people might be pushed over the edge because the government isn't doing their jobs and is infringing on our rights. I will be the 1st person to admit people on the right might snap after seeing their country go down the crapper. The left and those who believe in big government believe in a pure form of democracy and that ends up pushing the minority into a corner. We see many right now who are trying like hell to change things politically and peacefully, Tea Party, Liberty movement, etc, all they want is for the government to stay the hell out of their life and to protect our liberties, I don't think that is to much to ask for do you.
Wow Henry, I'm surprised by your post.
I once saw a press report about a poor 15 year old kid who knifed another child and took his new sneakers. The press interviewed the attacker's mom at the scene and her excuse sounds a lot like yours... ~ "If the boy just gave him his sneakers, then my son wouldn't have had to stab him." ~
If Obama would just give all the TeaBaggers what they want, they wouldn't have to... to what??? Form Right Wing Militias and kill people???
When poor blacks were rioting in the streets... did you blame the Government??? I think not. When Rich TeaBaggers are rioting in the streets... you seem content to blame the govt... If the President just gave the TeaBaggers his sneakers, they wouldn't have to knife him. Pathetic!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
When poor blacks were rioting in the streets... did you blame the Government??? I think not. When Rich TeaBaggers are rioting in the streets... you seem content to blame the govt... If the President just gave the TeaBaggers his sneakers, they wouldn't have to knife him. Pathetic!
You make it seem as if I'm advocating violence when I am not, I'm for changing things peacefully. Your little story trying to compare a armed robbery to changing things peacefully is laughable and well quite what I expected from a liberal I think you have a tough time grasping that some Americans like me don't want a handout from the government and we don't want to pay for a out of control government. Asking the government to leave us alone and to do their constitutional job to you is asking to much, yeah talk about pathetic.
"When Rich TeaBaggers are rioting in the streets."
LMAO show me one example of Tea Party members rioting and trashing a city, you won't find it because we respect peoples property and businesses. On the other hand I could show you plenty of examples of "poor black people " tearing apart neighborhoods and ransacking stores for no reason at all other than Mob rule aka democracy.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
"When Rich TeaBaggers are rioting in the streets." LMAO show me one example of Tea Party members rioting and trashing a city, you won't find it because we respect peoples property and businesses.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Wow threats from a unidentified person,,,,,,wait a minute what was it you posted on this topic a few pages ago
"A report of a Muslim Group claiming responsibility... Pretty lame.
For all we know, some disgruntled unbalanced white American racist could have claimed responsibility for the killings in the name of some Radical Muslim Group."
So I guess this doesn't count Box, for all we know it might have been some disgruntled unbalanced black American racist that could have claimed responsibility for the threats and actions in the name of a Tea Party group.
Still waiting for those Tea Party riot videos
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
A 400% INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF THREATS TO THE US PRESIDENT... BUT Cicero and Henry don't even remotely suspect it may be due to RACISM! The Secret Service attribute the increase to (HUH GUESS WHAT) Right Wing Militia, and White Supremacist.[/b][/i]
Holy sh*t, I didn't know that Obama had 30 death threats a day!!! If that was 30 separate people that call in the death threats, that equals .0000001% of the U.S. population. You are right, right wing racists are everywhere in America and growing. One one millionth of a percent of all Americans are threatening the President's life a day!! That is a disturbing number. These people that want to cut government spending are dangerous, and racist. Their political influence is obviously substantial based on the death threats alone.
I love the first paragraph under "Key Findings" on the DHS report. Very concrete evidence followed by speculation of what could happen.
Quoted Text
(U//LES) The DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) has no specific information that domestic rightwing* terrorists are currently planning acts of violence, but rightwing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about several emergent issues. The economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment.
YUP, just ".0000001% of the U.S. population" hardly worth bothering... If Cicero had 3000 death threats a day on his life... Well... I guess, given his posts... I'd understand.
Cicero plays with numbers to try to prove a point but of course he misses by a mile.
I wonder what % of the total Muslim population the dozen or so men who attacked the WTC on Sept 11th. I'm sure a much smaller number than the one he cited threatening Obama. Yet for some reason Cicero considers Muslims Terrorists a threat. By his own math, the percent so small to be almost non existent.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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