You're right Joebxr and unless NYS lowers taxes on property, school, income, and stops passing regulations that are not business friendly the trend will continue no matter how many apartments, condos, or warehouses they build.

Metroplex is funded by a PORTION of the sales tax that you pay -- a portion goes to the state, a portion goes to the county and a portion goes to Metroplex .....

there is no EXTRA tax that only city residents pay that funds Metroplex.

Anyone who tells you differently is a liar -- and I would tell it to them right to their faces IF they had the guts to come forward public.

OH -- and to get back to the thread ---   the new project planned for the ALCO site will be a great benefit to the city and the county ---   we need MORE Metroplex funded projects like this one.    

Here's the double whammy that MC1 is talking about. 1) All the Metrograft projects get property tax giveaways causing all the others to pay more. I know is a difficult concept. If 10% are nonprofit/Metrograft friends and family that pay nothing the other 90% must pick up the additional load.

     2) All the towns get a direct infusion of sales tax revenues except the City whose pro-rata share goes directly to Metrograft to be flushed by Death Ray. Less property tax revenues/less sales tax revenues in the City because of failed Metrograft. DVR needs to drive around the City/Mt P which is in complete free fall. Look at the hundreds of for sale signs on homes and businesses. Stop acting like Mister McGoo blind to the people trying to sell with no buyers because of decades of DEM overspending and fiscal mismanagement. No amount of parks, multi-modal bike paths and happy talk will turn this mess around.

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Metroplex is funded by a PORTION of the sales tax that you pay -- a portion goes to the state, a portion goes to the county and a portion goes to Metroplex .....

  

And DV, the sales tax was INCREASED in order to fund Metroplex!!!!!!!!!!!   So there you go, it IS and extra tax !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

there is no EXTRA tax that only city residents pay that funds Metroplex.

Anyone who tells you differently is a liar -- and I would tell it to them right to their faces IF they had the guts to come forward public.

OH -- and to get back to the thread ---   the new project planned for the ALCO site will be a great benefit to the city and the county ---   we need MORE Metroplex funded projects like this one.    

Uh would you care to explainj the EXTRA tax that city residents pay to fund the property taxes of all the Metroplex beneficiaries???????     HUH??????    HUH???????     HUH????????

It as been proven to you OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER iwth proof from OFFICIAL RECORDS, with links provided on these boards, so all could read for themselves 100% tax exemptions....and since the taxes MUST be paid, the CITY residents pay EXTRA to fund the tax bills.....indirectly it's Metroplex, it's the beneficiaries of the socialists of Metroplex, the city, and the county.


You think MORE should be spent on plex stuff?????    Can you tell us just how much the homeowners should pay in taxes??????    can you?????     Can you answer that?>???????

Do you want hoomeonwrs to lose their homes?:????    DO you????:?:    


\Explain HOW a family with an income of $30,000 can afford to pay $5,000 on a $100,000 house which is typical now.   Do you think they should pay half of their income?   Well??????   Do you have the guts to answer that???????    

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OH -- and to get back to the thread ---   the new project planned for the ALCO site will be a great benefit to the city and the county ---    

DV, why do you REFUSE to answre the question of WHY is more housing needed....at taxpayer expanes......when the city has more EXISTING vacant housing than it can deal with?    

Can you answer that??????    

The city has more EXISTING VACANT housing, so what is the the reason to build more housing?

And WHO is supposed to pay for the news houses????????

You jsut CAN'T provide an answer, can you

You can't WILL these things into reality. We here again and again what WILL happen because of these projects, and then we hear later that it IS/HAS happened (jobs created, business booming) without the specifics provided. The figures provided for Lion King were somebody's guess. What are some of the jobs created? You can't count jobs that were moved here along with the people holding those jobs as created jobs, because those jobs are just relocated workers, with no gain.
This Metroplex idea is not unique to Schenectady. Other desperate areas are trying similar plans. The problem as I see it is that it hasn't actually worked   anywhere, because it is largely based on wishful thinking instead of the best ideas from the best minds. The appeal is the "feel-good" mentality it provides to the citizenry for a period of time, until it dawns on them that this stuff doesn't work. "Hooray! Our wonderful leaders are DOING SOMETHING!"
Your wonderful leaders aren't qualified to do this stuff. It flatters some of them to think of themselves that way,their motives are benign at least, others are in it just for what they can get for themselves and their cronies before the people wake up.

Actually Metrograft is very unique to Schenectady County. There isn't another County in America that would permit it. They would jail those responsible. Raising the most regressive sales tax to hand money to connected  millionaire developers to take property off the tax rolls. So the businesses can go bankrupt and no one creates any jobs. Great work if you can get it-no?

     It least when it was proposed a business leader with planning expertise ran it. Now it's devolved into DEM working together morons with degrees in political science from Buffalo State. Not even SUNY-Buffalo? Over at Proctor's a failed history major-no arts background. They are laughing all the way to the bank. No accountability, no expertise, no planning experience-and nobody cares. One project after another closes, goes belly up, locks the doors and no one is fired. Nobody says nuthin.

So DV, you still haven't answered the quesiton......with more EXISTING VACANT housing in the city, more than the city can handle, WHY should MORE housing be built and be built at taxpyaer expense?

Why would you say that more houses need to be built when there are so many EXISTING VACANT houses


Are you trying to brown-nose in your attempt to run for political office?

HOW DARE YOU PEOPLE!

Metrograft is unique, but other desperate communities have tried or are trying the idea of raising taxes for some buildings and such on the theory that big businesses want to come to your community and set up shop but they can't because you don't have enough shiny facades.
The debacle we are seeing is because you can't try something like that in New York. Instead of some dollars wasted on a spruce-up that doesn't help, New York will get a big grab of free government money by those with connections to the political ruling class.

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Metrograft is unique, but other desperate communities have tried or are trying the idea of raising taxes for some buildings and such on the theory that big businesses want to come to your community and set up shop but they can't because you don't have enough shiny facades.
The debacle we are seeing is because you can't try something like that in New York. Instead of some dollars wasted on a spruce-up that doesn't help, New York will get a big grab of free government money by those with connections to the political ruling class.

It is not the role of government to 'create' jobs. That is the role of the private sector! When the government takes on thatrole, the taxpayer's money gets funneled through and to, the 'select few'. It never ends up benefiting the taxpayers. Third world countries do this all the time. Developed countries have been sending millions of dollars to starving third world countries for decades. Only to have the the bulk of the money stay 'at the top' while a few crumbs trickled down to the people.

this is what is happening in this country, except it is 'our' money that they recklessly squander! If this trend continues, as I suspect it might, americans will witness the total dumbing down of their society.........as it is in schenectady county.

I have heard concerns from people across the river from the site that nothing is being done to assure that toxins aren't being or haven't been released into the air and water during demolition. This site was a known brownfield for years that suddenly became not a brownfield, as if by magic. Does           anyone recall seeing any air quality monitoring or hazard remediation type work happening concurrently with the surely contaminated buildings being pulled down? I am never down in that area during the workday.

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I have heard concerns from people across the river from the site that nothing is being done to assure that toxins aren't being or haven't been released into the air and water during demolition. This site was a known brownfield for years that suddenly became not a brownfield, as if by magic. Does           anyone recall seeing any air quality monitoring or hazard remediation type work happening concurrently with the surely contaminated buildings being pulled down? I am never down in that area during the workday.

Don't worry...it's in good hands  
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Thank you. So the Scotians were correct in believing that nothing was done to keep contaminants out of the air.