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The average monthly casualty rate for U.S. military forces serving in Afghanistan has increased 5-fold since President Barack Obama was inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2009.

1,540 U.S. troops have been killed in Afghanistan since Oct. 7, 2001, when U.S. forces began fighting in that country to oust the Taliban regime that had been harboring al Qaeda and to track down and capture or kill al Qaeda terrorists.

During the Bush presidency, which ended on Jan. 20, 2009 with the inauguration of President Obama, U.S. troops were present in Afghanistan for 87.4 months and suffered 570 casualties—a rate of 6.5 deaths per month.

During the Obama presidency, through today, U.S. troops have been present in Afghanistan for 29.1 months and have suffered 970 casualties—a rate of 33.3 deaths per month.


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Had GW Bushy continued to fight AlQaeda in Afghanistan instead of pulling out our troops for his oil war in Iraq, he may have actually succeeded and killed Bin Laden, and eliminated the enemy...
Instead he abandoned Afghanistan and left the war to Obama.

Afghanistan will continue to suck American casualties and wealth until we leave.



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Instead he abandoned Afghanistan and left the war to Obama.


So Obama tripled down putting in thousands of additional troops. Say we won and leave. Someone tell Obama there is no oil in Afghanistan.

     Obama is not comfortable with victory. There is a troubling tape of his feelings about this which sound exactly like Box. He's not interested in a military victory-ANYWHERE. He has zero military and foreign policy expertise. He makes Jimmy Carter look like a foreign policy genius. Meanwhile Iran is on the brink of nuclear weapons while Obama dithers and calls Syria a moderate Arab state.
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So Obama tripled down putting in thousands of additional troops. Say we won and leave. Someone tell Obama there is no oil in Afghanistan.
     Obama is not comfortable with victory. There is a troubling tape of his feelings about this which sound exactly like Box. He's not interested in a military victory-ANYWHERE. He has zero military and foreign policy expertise. He makes Jimmy Carter look like a foreign policy genius. Meanwhile Iran is on the brink of nuclear weapons while Obama dithers and calls Syria a moderate Arab state.



Unlike his predecessor (George Worst Bush) who did have military experience...
and who spent 6 years looking for Osama Bin Laden... and failed...

President Obama, with NO military experience, managed to kill Osama Bin Laden in his first 2 years in office.  
God Bless President Barack Hussein Obama!



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That's called winning one battle and losing the war strategy.
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President Obama, with NO military experience, managed to kill Osama Bin Laden in his first 2 years in office.  



Really? I didn't know he was in Pakistan with a gun in his hand



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That's called winning one battle and losing the war strategy.


The War??? There was a strategy in the Afghanistan war???

As I remember George Worst Bush saying we went to Afghanistan to attack AlQaeda and kill Osama BinLaden.  We've done both of those things. (thanks to President Obama)

I don't care if the Taliban are in power or some US installed temporary puppet government.  Our mission is over.  Let the Afghans worry about Afghanistan.  


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US Afghanistan troop strength at the beginning of Obama's term was 30,000
It is now 103,000. Even with the 35,000 troop reduction , completed a month or two before election day, we will still have 68,000 troops there.. or 38,000 more then when Obama took office.


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Really? I didn't know he was in Pakistan with a gun in his hand


Better than that Tbird...
As the US Commander in Chief, he was in charge of the entire operation... and responsible for it's outcome.

God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!



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Then he also responsible for the 38,000 EXTRA troops that will still be in Afghanistan come Election day 2012.
All for a war where we have NO vital US interests, propping up a corrupt government.


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Then he also responsible for the 38,000 EXTRA troops that will still be in Afghanistan come Election day 2012.
All for a war where we have NO vital US interests, propping up a corrupt government.


YUP! As commander in chief, he's responsible for all military actions.

(Just as George Worst Bush is responsible for the 4400+ us troops killed in his optional unnecessary Oil war in Iraq)



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I'm glad to see you support Barack's continuation of Bush's foreign policy of pre-emptive military strikes against nations like in Yemen, Pakistan, and now spreading democracy in Libya.  The Nobel Peace Prize winner is showing us why he deserved that award.  


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I'm glad to see you support Barack's continuation of Bush's foreign policy of pre-emptive military strikes against nations like in Yemen, Pakistan, and now spreading democracy in Libya.  The Nobel Peace Prize winner is showing us why he deserved that award.  


Really Cicero??? That was a BUSH POLICY???
" Continuing Bush's foreign policy of pre-emptive military strikes"
Really???  This is BUSH'S POLICY?  NO other US President ever did this???
HUH.  
What about:

LAOS      1962      Command operation      Military buildup during guerrilla war.
CUBA       l962       Nuclear threat, naval      Blockade during missile crisis; near-war with Soviet Union.
IRAQ      1963      Command operation      CIA organizes coup that killed president, brings Ba'ath Party to power, and Saddam Hussein back from exile to be head of the secret service.
PANAMA      l964      Troops      Panamanians shot for urging canal's return.
INDONESIA      l965      Command operation      Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC      1965-66      Troops, bombing      Marines land during election campaign.
GUATEMALA      l966-67      Command operation      Green Berets intervene against rebels.
DETROIT      l967      Troops      Army battles African Americans, 43 killed.
UNITED STATES      l968      Troops      After King is shot; over 21,000 soldiers in cities.
CAMBODIA      l969-75      Bombing, troops, naval      Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos.
OMAN      l970      Command operation      U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion.
LAOS      l971-73      Command operation, bombing      U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside.
SOUTH DAKOTA      l973      Command operation      Army directs Wounded Knee siege of Lakotas.
MIDEAST      1973      Nuclear threat      World-wide alert during Mideast War.
CHILE      1973      Command operation      CIA-backed coup ousts elected marxist president.
CAMBODIA      l975      Troops, bombing      Gas captured ship, 28 die in copter crash.
ANGOLA      l976-92      Command operation      CIA assists South African-backed rebels.
IRAN      l980      Troops, nuclear threat, aborted bombing      Raid to rescue Embassy hostages; 8 troops die in copter-plane crash. Soviets warned not to get involved in revolution.
LIBYA      l981      Naval jets      Two Libyan jets shot down in maneuvers.
EL SALVADOR      l981-92      Command operation, troops      Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash.
NICARAGUA      l981-90      Command operation, naval      CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution.
LEBANON      l982-84      Naval, bombing, troops      Marines expel PLO and back Phalangists, Navy bombs and shells Muslim positions.
GRENADA      l983-84      Troops, bombing      Invasion four years after revolution.
HONDURAS      l983-89      Troops      Maneuvers help build bases near borders.
IRAN      l984      Jets      Two Iranian jets shot down over Persian Gulf.
LIBYA      l986      Bombing, naval      Air strikes to topple nationalist gov't.
BOLIVIA      1986      Troops      Army assists raids on cocaine region.
IRAN      l987-88      Naval, bombing      US intervenes on side of Iraq in war.
LIBYA      1989      Naval jets      Two Libyan jets shot down.
VIRGIN ISLANDS      1989      Troops      St. Croix Black unrest after storm.
PHILIPPINES      1989      Jets      Air cover provided for government against coup.
PANAMA      1989 (-?)      Troops, bombing      Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed.
LIBERIA      1990      Troops      Foreigners evacuated during civil war.
SAUDI ARABIA      1990-91      Troops, jets      Iraq countered after invading Kuwait. 540,000 troops also stationed in Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Israel.
IRAQ      1990-91      Bombing, troops, naval      Blockade of Iraqi and Jordanian ports, air strikes; 200,000+ killed in invasion of Iraq and Kuwait; large-scale destruction of Iraqi military.
KUWAIT      1991      Naval, bombing, troops      Kuwait royal family returned to throne.
IRAQ      1991-2003      Bombing, naval      No-fly zone over Kurdish north, Shiite south; constant air strikes and naval-enforced economic sanctions
LOS ANGELES      1992      Troops      Army, Marines deployed against anti-police uprising.
SOMALIA      1992-94      Troops, naval, bombing      U.S.-led United Nations occupation during civil war; raids against one Mogadishu faction.
YUGOSLAVIA      1992-94      Naval      NATO blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.
BOSNIA      1993-?      Jets, bombing      No-fly zone patrolled in civil war; downed jets, bombed Serbs.
HAITI      1994      Troops, naval      Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup.
ZAIRE (CONGO)      1996-97      Troops      Marines at Rwandan Hutu refugee camps, in area where Congo revolution begins.
LIBERIA      1997      Troops      Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.
ALBANIA      1997      Troops      Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.
SUDAN      1998      Missiles      Attack on pharmaceutical plant alleged to be "terrorist" nerve gas plant.
AFGHANISTAN      1998      Missiles      Attack on former CIA training camps used by Islamic fundamentalist groups alleged to have attacked embassies.
IRAQ      1998      Bombing, Missiles      Four days of intensive air strikes after weapons inspectors allege Iraqi obstructions.
YUGOSLAVIA      1999      Bombing, Missiles      Heavy NATO air strikes after Serbia declines to withdraw from Kosovo. NATO occupation of Kosovo.



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Box has clearly lost it. He thinks Israel lost the 1973 war when they mopped the floor with the Arabs and had an entire Egyptian army surrounded. Now he thinks Obama is some great military leader. Obama is a total failure. No one cares about Bin Laden-a blind pig finding an acorn. Obama is finished next year. A smart DEM should primary him. Even Al Gore and President Clinton are now attacking him. Obama should keep working on his golf game-that's the only thing possibly improving under his incompetent "leadership".
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YUP! As commander in chief, he's responsible for all military actions.

(Just as George Worst Bush is responsible for the 4400+ us troops killed in his optional unnecessary Oil war in Iraq)



Obama did not need to escalate this...that was his choice and the deaths are on his hands...in your words, it was optional.


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