I call myself a "liberal" libertarian.. I realize strict libertarian principals won't work, but as little gov't as possible is what I want. Both parties are only concerned about the next election cycle. Increasing taxes is a non-starter for 'pubs just as MEANINGFUL budget cuts are for Dems. This country needs a viable 3rd party more than anything.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
That statement right there prove you or this millionaire doesn't understand basic economics. Robust economies are created when people produce goods or services and innovations that enhance the overall productivity of a society. Millionaires don't get rich by non productive people giving money to the "rich" productive people. You act as if the rich are just rich and don't add value to somebody elses life. Rich are rich because they created something that added value to somebody or many peoples lives and made a society more productive. Not the other way around.
Cicero must know more than that group of Millionaires about economics and how to make a million!
Cicero... I don't advocate throwing away money, but for this example: If the US Govt took dollars and dropped them from the air... people would pick up those dollars and in the case of poor people...pay bills. They might not lose their homes to foreclosure, or they may buy some health care insurance for their family... either way... it goes into the economy and creates jobs, it promotes business.
If some of those people are drug dealers... they pick up the money and buy bling, cars, women, booze, etc... they spend it at gun shops, car dealers, bars or in a restaurant... it goes into the economy and promotes business.
If those people pick up the dollars and pay for their kids college education, or blow it gambling in a casino or invest it in stock or in a bank...it helps boost the economy. All of those examples add jobs, help business and put dollars into the economy.
The only case where those dollars are lost is in the case of a man who picks up those dollars and invests them abroad or in offshore tax dodges. (What group does that??? Mostly the Rich)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Cicero must know more than that group of Millionaires about economics and how to make a million!
Cicero... I don't advocate throwing away money, but for this example: If the US Govt took dollars and dropped them from the air... people would pick up those dollars and in the case of poor people...pay bills. They might not lose their homes to foreclosure, or they may buy some health care insurance for their family... either way... it goes into the economy and creates jobs, it promotes business.
If some of those people are drug dealers... they pick up the money and buy bling, cars, women, booze, etc... they spend it at gun shops, car dealers, bars or in a restaurant... it goes into the economy and promotes business.
If those people pick up the dollars and pay for their kids college education, or blow it gambling in a casino or invest it in stock or in a bank...it helps boost the economy. All of those examples add jobs, help business and put dollars into the economy.
The only case where those dollars are lost is in the case of a man who picks up those dollars and invests them abroad or in offshore tax dodges. (What group does that??? Mostly the Rich)
Where does the value of the dollars dropped from the air come from? If you drop 100 trillion dollars from the sky produced on a printing press, how much would a gallon of gas cost? The value of a dollar is reflective of a nations GDP PRODUCTION not CONSUMPTION. You believe there is just some magical assigned value to money. Money is reflective of a nations wealth - our national economy is 75% consumer based.
"Mostly the rich" as Box says. Is that like "mostly the blacks" or "mostly the Asians" or "mostly the Jews?"
Hence the thinking of the statist. They want to divide one against the other for purpose of control. They play on the emotion of envy. I always understood this, and it always made my stomach turn at the baseness of it all.
However, what is most distressing is that continued redistribution through the use of this tax code is destroying the creation of jobs and wealth. Continued confiscation from the private sector in order to fund the waste that is the public sector is depleting the ability of economy to grow and destroying the tax base. For once you have driven the "rich" (that means upper middle class actually) into the sea, you then need to drop the hammer on the rest of the middle class so that they are no longer middle class after their wealth has been confiscated. Then everyone is poor and much more easily controlled. We see your soul, Box A Rox. It is a sick one.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
"Mostly the rich" as Box says. Is that like "mostly the blacks" or "mostly the Asians" or "mostly the Jews?"
Hence the thinking of the statist. They want to divide one against the other for purpose of control. They play on the emotion of envy. I always understood this, and it always made my stomach turn at the baseness of it all.
However, what is most distressing is that continued redistribution through the use of this tax code is destroying the creation of jobs and wealth. Continued confiscation from the private sector in order to fund the waste that is the public sector is depleting the ability of economy to grow and destroying the tax base. For once you have driven the "rich" (that means upper middle class actually) into the sea, you then need to drop the hammer on the rest of the middle class so that they are no longer middle class after their wealth has been confiscated. Then everyone is poor and much more easily controlled. We see your soul, Box A Rox. It is a sick one.
I don't have offshore accounts... No one I know (except one very wealthy person) has a Swiss account... My friends the Millionaires who made that video agree with me... not with Graham so I doubt they are offended by my position. Class warfare is the domain of the Right. In Race, In education, In Legislation.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Where does the value of the dollars dropped from the air come from?
It comes from the $$$Trillions of dollars in Tax Cuts that were given to the Rich instead of spread out over the entire economy. That money existed when GWB gave it away 10 years ago to today.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
It comes from the $$$Trillions of dollars in Tax Cuts that were given to the Rich instead of spread out over the entire economy. That money existed when GWB gave it away 10 years ago to today.
Didn't Obama do it your way? With his $1 Trillon Stimulus. The Keynseian theory of controlling the currency and re-capitalizing by printing money and loaning it cheap isn't working. Handing out worthless paper to people and telling them to spend it without increasing your productivity doesn't work. Americans are holding on to their money. You drop $1 Trillion dollars from the sky and people will save it, since they can't invest it, because they are CONSUMERS.
AMERICAN CONSUMERISM IS OVER - WE'RE OUT OF MONEY.
Don't drop the race card Box it was the progressive Dems who created segregation in the military under Wilson and it was the Dems in the southern states that prevented the blacks from voting and most of the Dems were members of the KKK who did horrible things to the blacks in the South not the Reps. It was the Dems who tried to prevent the blacks from going to white schools in the south not the Reps. It was the Dems who were against the civil rights bills proposed in Congress. Quote from Box "Class warfare is the domain of the Right. In Race, In education, In Legislation". Better brush up on your history.
Don't drop the race card Box it was the progressive Dems who created segregation in the military under Wilson and it was the Dems in the southern states that prevented the blacks from voting and most of the Dems were members of the KKK who did horrible things to the blacks in the South not the Reps. It was the Dems who tried to prevent the blacks from going to white schools in the south not the Reps. It was the Dems who were against the civil rights bills proposed in Congress. Quote from Box "Class warfare is the domain of the Right. In Race, In education, In Legislation". Better brush up on your history.
You are half right Shadow.
It WAS the Democrats... The Conservative Democrats that fueled the hatred in the South. It was the Conservative Democrats who's members filled the KKK and other racist groups. The south was Solid Conservative Democrat... UNTIL Until the Civil Rights Act of '64. Then all that changed.
Once those racist Conservatives saw Kennedy/Johnson desegregation they switched parties and the South has been pretty solid republican ever since.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
They were still Democrats just like the Conservative Democrats who were the ones who voted to shove the Health-Care law down our throats, conservative my butt.
They were still Democrats just like the Conservative Democrats who were the ones who voted to shove the Health-Care law down our throats, conservative my butt.
YUP, They were the Racist Conservative Democrats, but they no longer exist.
President Franklin Roosevelt's electoral body in 1945 had included a diverse, in fact contradictory, set of elements — both conservatives and liberals, northern and southern Democrats and Republicans. By 1948, however, the civil rights issue revealed the real philosophical differences between northern and southern Democrats as never before. The move of Southern states from solidly Democrat to solidly Republican began to take place. The transformation was complete in the early '60's... the candidacy of Republican conservative Barry Goldwater in 1964 completed the transition from a solid South for the Democrats to one for the Republicans. Strom Thurmond switched to the Republican Party that year and remained there until his death in December 2003. The Racist Conservative Democrats found a new home in the Conservative Republicans...and have remained there ever since.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
For once you have driven the "rich" (that means upper middle class actually) into the sea,
I disagree; they have driven the rich into fascist relationships with government and political parties. There is no place for the "rich" to run. Whether it's on a national level like GE and Obama/Democrats, or on the local level with Metroplex/Democrats and the chosen recipients that are allowed to feed at the trough.
There is no more competition in business, capitalism and free markets are dead.
There's a simple solution for Box and his fellow travelers-voluntarily send in more money to the IRS. Sure that will help dent the Obama mad pumping priming deficit. The Keynesian theory has been proven wrong time after time but they have no other tools in their rusty socialist tool box.
The cartoons are funny. Obama spent $2 trillion more than he took in. Stimulus 1 and 2-remember? So they didn't stimulate anything but Anthony's Weiner. Starting a third war in Libya and 4th in Yemen is not helping. But it's all Bush's fault! Bush was mean! He refused to read terrorists the rights they don't have as non citizens! Boo-hoo! The IRS has allowed increased voluntary contributions for years. Very little sent in. The problem is that liberals are all hat and no cattle.
Good point Benny Salami, nothing is stopping them from writing a check to the IRS but I doubt they will, all talk.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
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There's a simple solution for Box and his fellow travelers-voluntarily send in more money to the IRS. Sure that will help dent the Obama mad pumping priming deficit. The Keynesian theory has been proven wrong time after time but they have no other tools in their rusty socialist tool box. 
