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Congress To Vote On Declaration of Worldwide Perpetual War With No Borders And No Clear Enemies
The United States Congress is set to vote on legislation that authorizes the official start of World War 3, a worldwide war against an invisible enemy that can reside in any country the U.S. Government chooses.
The Intel Hub
By Alexander Higgins with excerpts from Alex Thomas
May 15th, 2011

The legislation authorizes the President of the United States to take unilateral military action against all nations, organizations, and persons, both domestically and abroad, who are alleged to be currently or who have in the past supported or engaged in hostilities or who have provided aid in support of hostilities against the Untied States or any of its coalition allies.

The legislation removes the requirement of congressional approval for the use of military force and instead gives the President totalitarian dictatorial authority to engage in any and all military actions for an indefinite period of time.

It even authorizes the President the authority to launch attacks against American Citizens inside the United States with no congressional oversight whatsoever.

Just to recap, because that was a mouthful:
■Endless War – The war will continue until all hostilities are terminated, which will never happen.
■No Borders – The president will have the full authority to launch military strikes against any country, organization or person, including against U.S citizens on U.S soil.
■Unilateral Military Action – Full authority to invade any nation at any time with no congressional approval required.
■No Clearly Defined Enemy – The US can declare or allege anyone a terrorist or allege they are or have been supporting “hostilities” against the US and attack at will.
■Authorization To Invade Several Countries – The president would have full authority to invade Iran, Syria, North Korea, along with several other nations in Africa and the Middle East and even Russia and China under the legislation all of which are “know” to have supported and aided hostilities against the United States.

The America Civil Liberties Union writes:


New Authorization of Worldwide War Without End?

Congress may soon vote on a new declaration of worldwide war without end, and without clear enemies. A “sleeper provision” deep inside defense bills pending before Congress could become the single biggest hand-over of unchecked war authority from Congress to the executive branch in modern American history.
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So pretty much everything that is happening now, they just want to make it sound like it's legal and constitutional.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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If Congress gives up the right to declare war they all deserve to be voted out. There are three parts of our government for a reason. Give the president temporary power to act and then get the approval of Congress to make it official.
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That's just insane
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The last time congress declared war was in December of 1941, how many conflicts were we in since then, I probably couldn't even name them all.

Korean war
Vietnam
Kosovo
Iraq-2 times
Afghanistan-2 times
Somalia
Libya
Yemen
Pakistan
Grenada

Add on if you wish


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Putting sole power to declare war in one persons hand, republican or democrat is a very bad idea.
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A declaration of war is a formal declaration issued by a national government indicating that a state of war exists between that nation and another. For the United States, Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution says "Congress shall have power to ... declare War". However, that passage provides no specific format for what form legislation must have in order to be considered a "Declaration of War" nor does the Constitution itself use this term

In 1973, following the withdrawal of most American troops from the Vietnam War, a debate emerged about the extent of presidential power in deploying troops without a declaration of war. A compromise in the debate was reached with the War Powers Resolution. This act clearly defined how many soldiers could be deployed by the President of the United States and for how long. It also required formal reports by the President to Congress regarding the status of such deployments, and limited the total amount of time that American forces could be employed without a formal declaration of war.

This becomes a constitutional issue - one in which each state must vote, IMHO
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Well, luckily, they can't declare war right now, Congress is out.  I hear that they're supposed to be home, listenening to their constituents.  Anybody see Paul Tonko at a local event in the last day or 2?


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I hope you all appreciate the efforts of the ACLU on your behalf to keep this legislation from being enacted.

Support the ACLU and sign their petition to protect your rights below:

https://secure.aclu.org/site/A.....amp;s_sub110511_AUMF


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Congress To Vote On Declaration of Worldwide Perpetual War With No Borders And No Clear Enemies


ok....who's feelin' like Batman or Spiderman or Superman,,,,do I hear a Thor? Ironman?.......Welcome to the Jungle it's always Rage Against the Machine


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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