why are we arguing about bush and obama.....they come from the same think tanks.....I certainly hope none of us think they were goomed in a vaccum....oh wait..
yes,,,they were.....

his shrine is built and it's called ground zero...his name will always be talked about as we continue to tell the story over and over and over....

it may have worked for Hitler but he was of no 'religious' bearing on his followers....he just picked a target and killed it....

Obama may be dead but his ideas live....and people like that who follow crap like that will never be eradicated.....even the christian bible says "when they talk peace
peace the end of days is near." even if that doesnt literally mean end of days it really means, human nature never changes and there ain't nuthin' new under the sun...

if ya think 'your guy' is your salvation---then have at it

I'm just trying to point out to Box and other liberal morons that Obama rhetoric doesn't translate to Obama policy.  The likes of Box is a bumper sticker Obama bot...He still chats "Yes We Can" and all the other rhetorical Obama commentary that whipped him and the rest of the mindless into the Obama frenzy...I was thinking maybe some articles from his fellow travelers would help him realize that Obama has made very little changes to the Bush policies.  Liberals just find Obama's political rhetoric more pleasing, and he is successful at distracting most of them from realizing there has been little change.  ESPECIALLY on his terror policy, it's a carbon copy of the Bush policy.

Cicero give it up.  Bush was a total failure.  His waterboarding did NOT get the information needed.  It is amazing to me just how daft Republicans are.  Delusional is more like it.  Obama has handled this situation amazingly.  He has shown himself to be presidential--no "wanted dead or alive" nonsense from him.  No smirks that W is known for.  No miscalculation of this mission.  This President has been outstanding.  Get over it.  Even Cheney applauded the President.  Waterboarding was not the key.  The information came out later with other sources to corroborate the info from the detainees.  NOT WATERBOARDING.  

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Cicero give it up.  Bush was a total failure.  His waterboarding did NOT get the information needed.  It is amazing to me just how daft Republicans are.  Delusional is more like it.  Obama has handled this situation amazingly.  He has shown himself to be presidential--no "wanted dead or alive" nonsense from him.  No smirks that W is known for.  No miscalculation of this mission.  This President has been outstanding.  Get over it.  Even Cheney applauded the President.  Waterboarding was not the key.  The information came out later with other sources to corroborate the info from the detainees.  NOT WATERBOARDING.  

Cheany is applauding because it's the Bush/Cheany anti terror policies that led to it...The same policies you were calling them criminals over and illegal, have now proven successful.  I just love watching you and box turn on a dime and cheer the Bush doctrine of Gitmo, extradition to 3rd party nations where toucher is legal, warrantless wiretapping, and the rest of Bush's anti terror policy the Obama continues...Congrats    

Bush looked bad to all Americans, especially after 8 years of prosperity under Clinton.

The Bush years were an economic, security and foreign policy disaster but the Right got used to failure so it seemed normal to them.

Now under the successes of Barack Obama, the Right is realizing just how awful Bushy really was, and are desperate to find any excuse to attach Bush's name to any Obama success.

GWB was a disaster, and compared to a Obama, that fact becomes more apparent every day.

I work with some 20-30 something's. They are NOT political by any stretch of the imagination!!  Let's put it this way, they knowwho the pres is, but don't know who the vice pres is. But anyway.....since the death of osama has been all over the news they thought they would voice their uninformed opinion. ....

they pretty much laughed and made fun of the entire story. They do not believe that NAVY SEALS went into an unguarded, unarmed home, in an upscale neighborhood and had no choice but to KILL and unarmed man aka osama instead of capturing him. They also scoffed at the religious 'buried at sea' report.

And don't jump all over me....these are the opinions of these young uninformed, non political young adults.  I found it quite amusing yet strangely interesting.

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Now under the successes of Barack Obama, the Right is realizing just how awful Bushy really was, and are desperate to find any excuse to attach Bush's name to any Obama success.
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On the contrary....obama has no successes!! Gas 100% higher under BHO. Our dollar is in free fall. Gitmo still open. Out of control debt. Obamacare.

Is your life better today than it was 4 years ago?

Success? Hardly!

May 3, 2011
Phone call by Kuwaiti courier led to bin Laden

(AP)  WASHINGTON (AP) — When one of Osama bin Laden's most trusted aides picked up the phone last year, he unknowingly led U.S. pursuers to the doorstep of his boss, the world's most wanted terrorist.

That monitored phone call, recounted Monday by a U.S. official, ended a years-long search for bin Laden's personal courier, the key break in a worldwide manhunt. The courier, in turn, led U.S. intelligence to a walled compound in northeast Pakistan, where a team of Navy SEALs shot bin Laden to death.

The violent final minutes were the culmination of years of intelligence work. Inside the CIA team hunting bin Laden, it always was clear that bin Laden's vulnerability was his couriers. He was too smart to let al-Qaida foot soldiers, or even his senior commanders, know his hideout. But if he wanted to get his messages out, somebody had to carry them, someone bin Laden trusted with his life.

Shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, detainees in the CIA's secret prison network told interrogators about an important courier with the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti who was close to bin Laden. After the CIA captured al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, he confirmed knowing al-Kuwaiti but denied he had anything to do with al-Qaida.

Then in 2004, top al-Qaida operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq. Ghul told the CIA that al-Kuwaiti was a courier, someone crucial to the terrorist organization. In particular, Ghul said, the courier was close to Faraj al-Libi, who replaced Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational commander. It was a key break in the hunt for in bin Laden's personal courier.

"Hassan Ghul was the linchpin," a U.S. official said.

Finally, in May 2005, al-Libi was captured. Under CIA interrogation, al-Libi admitted that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed, he received the word through a courier. But he made up a name for the courier and denied knowing al-Kuwaiti, a denial that was so adamant and unbelievable that the CIA took it as confirmation that he and Mohammed were protecting the courier. It only reinforced the idea that al-Kuwaiti was very important to al-Qaida.

If they could find the man known as al-Kuwaiti, they'd find bin Laden.

The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA's so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. history."We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day," said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.

Mohammed did not discuss al-Kuwaiti while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He acknowledged knowing him many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.

It took years of work before the CIA identified the courier's real name: Sheikh Abu Ahmed, a Pakistani man born in Kuwait. When they did identify him, he was nowhere to be found. The CIA's sources didn't know where he was hiding. Bin Laden was famously insistent that no phones or computers be used near him, so the eavesdroppers at the National Security Agency kept coming up cold.

Ahmed was identified by detainees as a mid-level operative who helped al-Qaida members and their families find safe havens. But his whereabouts were such a mystery to U.S. intelligence that, according to Guantanamo Bay documents, one detainee said Ahmed was wounded while fleeing U.S. forces during the invasion of Afghanistan and later died in the arms of the detainee.

But in the middle of last year, Ahmed had a telephone conversation with someone being monitored by U.S. intelligence, according to an American official, who like others interviewed for this story spoke only on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive operation. Ahmed was located somewhere away from bin Laden's hideout when he had the discussion, but it was enough to help intelligence officials locate and watch Ahmed.

In August 2010, Ahmed unknowingly led authorities to a compound in the northeast Pakistani town of Abbottabad, where al-Libi had once lived. The walls surrounding the property were as high as 18 feet and topped with barbed wire. Intelligence officials had known about the house for years, but they always suspected that bin Laden would be surrounded by heavily armed security guards. Nobody patrolled the compound in Abbottabad.

Sad to think you work with 20-30 soemthings and they know nothing.  I live with 20 - 30somethings who know government fairly well.  Their opinions, may not always be mine, but they are tuned into the world they live in.  In fact, my 21 year old who lives in DC called and told me about bin Laden before it was on TV.  It was all over DC.

No need to denigrate young people BT.  

obama can let everyone residing at gitmo free. osama is dead and there will be no more terrorist threats/attacks. The muslim's will now embrace the west and all of our solders can come home! PEACE AT LAST!!

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I work with some 20-30 something's. They are NOT political by any stretch of the imagination!!  Let's put it this way, they knowwho the pres is, but don't know who the vice pres is. But anyway.....since the death of osama has been all over the news they thought they would voice their uninformed opinion. ....

they pretty much laughed and made fun of the entire story. They do not believe that NAVY SEALS went into an unguarded, unarmed home, in an upscale neighborhood and had no choice but to KILL and unarmed man aka osama instead of capturing him. They also scoffed at the religious 'buried at sea' report.

And don't jump all over me....these are the opinions of these young uninformed, non political young adults.  I found it quite amusing yet strangely interesting.

they're from Schenectady right ?

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Sad to think you work with 20-30 soemthings and they know nothing.  I live with 20 - 30somethings who know government fairly well.  Their opinions, may not always be mine, but they are tuned into the world they live in.  In fact, my 21 year old who lives in DC called and told me about bin Laden before it was on TV.  It was all over DC.

No need to denigrate young people BT.  

No denigrating intended. How did you get that out of my post? Don't kill the messenger....k?

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they are from Schenectady right ?

Uh....nope!