With all due respect, the gentleman quoted in the article is only a canon law advisor and NOT either a Bishop or the Pope. Any statements made by an advisor can not be construed as being an official sanction or determination by the Magisterium of the Church.
Thus -- Governor Cuomo is still welcome to receive Communion in any Roman Catholic Church throughout the world.
According to who? The pope or GOD? just askin
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
IMHO, Jesus looks down at the world, and outrages offered in his name, and shakes his head in disgust.
HE taught love peace and forgiveness... not a lot of that going on here!
Much more old testament... Retribution, Eye for an Eye and Vengeance.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The Pope hasn't returned my phone call yet ... and God said that she will get an answer to that question in a few days.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
With all due respect, the gentleman quoted in the article is only a canon law advisor and NOT either a Bishop or the Pope. Any statements made by an advisor can not be construed as being an official sanction or determination by the Magisterium of the Church.
Thus -- Governor Cuomo is still welcome to receive Communion in any Roman Catholic Church throughout the world.
Guess I need to remind you of the Catechism of the Catholic Church again:
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2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,"77 "by the very commission of the offense,"78 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.79 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.
Q. 1. What does the Catholic Church teach about abortion?
A. 1. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states:
"Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae," [CIC, can. 1398] "by the very commission of the offense," [CIC, can. 1314] and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. [Cf. CIC, cann. 1323-1324] The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society." (C.C.C. # 2272)
"A person who procures a successful abortion incurs an automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication." [Code of Canon Law 1398]
Q. 2. What does "formal cooperation in an abortion" means?
A. 2. "Formal cooperation in an abortion" means all the individual who had an abortion, the abortionist who performed the abortion(s), the nurses and other employees that assist in abortions, the administrative staff that provided facilities where abortions were performed, all the individuals who recommended/suggested an abortion, the politicians who supported abortions and/or who voted in favour of them, all the relatives who supported abortions, no matter their excuse for being in favour of it, and even the religious persons who have supported such an act by word or action.
Guess I need to remind you of the Catechism of the Catholic Church again:
Q. 1. What does the Catholic Church teach about abortion?
A. 1. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states:
"Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae," [CIC, can. 1398] "by the very commission of the offense," [CIC, can. 1314] and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. [Cf. CIC, cann. 1323-1324] The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society." (C.C.C. # 2272)
"A person who procures a successful abortion incurs an automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication." [Code of Canon Law 1398]
Q. 2. What does "formal cooperation in an abortion" means?
A. 2. "Formal cooperation in an abortion" means all the individual who had an abortion, the abortionist who performed the abortion(s), the nurses and other employees that assist in abortions, the administrative staff that provided facilities where abortions were performed, all the individuals who recommended/suggested an abortion, the politicians who supported abortions and/or who voted in favour of them, all the relatives who supported abortions, no matter their excuse for being in favour of it, and even the religious persons who have supported such an act by word or action.
Since you are not the Pope -- and probably not even Catholic by way of the things that you have posted here --- I will wait to here from either the Bishop or the Pope on the matter.
Until I hear otherwise from either of them, Governor Cuomo is more than welcome to attend Mass and receive Communion.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
IMHO, Jesus looks down at the world, and outrages offered in his name, and shakes his head in disgust.
HE taught love peace and forgiveness... not a lot of that going on here!
Much more old testament... Retribution, Eye for an Eye and Vengeance.
To quote the opening soliloquy from Tevye in the musical, "Fiddler On The Roof", "so what good would that do? It would be a whole world full of blind people, with no teeth".
Albany Bishop Howard Hubbard just released a statement in response to a canonical legal expert’s opinion that neither Gov. Andrew Cuomo nor his girlfriend Sandra Lee should receive Communion as long as they’re living together — or, as it’s known at the Vatican, in “public concubinage.”
The statement, in full: There are norms of the church governing the sacraments which Catholics are expected to observe.
However, it is unfair and imprudent to make a pastoral judgment about a particular situation without knowing all the facts.
As a matter of pastoral practice we would not comment publicly on anything which should be addressed privately, regardless if the person is a public figure or a private citizen.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Since you are not the Pope -- and probably not even Catholic by way of the things that you have posted here --- I will wait to here from either the Bishop or the Pope on the matter.
Until I hear otherwise from either of them, Governor Cuomo is more than welcome to attend Mass and receive Communion.
I'm glad you've made that determination for your church.
Funny, I thought you were Catholic (or claimed to be) - yet you'll go directly against the code of canon law (915) that is the basis for the churchs teachings.
Guess you're just another cafeteria wannabe that'll pick and choose what's convenient at the time.
The person who holds something contrary to the Catholic faith is materially a heretic. (Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same.)
Albany Bishop Howard Hubbard just released a statement in response to a canonical legal expert’s opinion that neither Gov. Andrew Cuomo nor his girlfriend Sandra Lee should receive Communion as long as they’re living together — or, as it’s known at the Vatican, in “public concubinage.”
The statement, in full: There are norms of the church governing the sacraments which Catholics are expected to observe.
However, it is unfair and imprudent to make a pastoral judgment about a particular situation without knowing all the facts.
As a matter of pastoral practice we would not comment publicly on anything which should be addressed privately, regardless if the person is a public figure or a private citizen.
Who cares what some irrelevant boob from Detroit thinks anyway? Perhaps he should be dating an altar boy, then that all would all be brushed under the rug, and a memo would be issued on how to get away with it.
Nice try Tom, the discussion is about supporting abortion and receiving Holy Communion - not living together.
That being said, Hubbard doesn't support the teachings of the Church he was appointed to represent, so why doesn't this surprise me.
No MT, You're wrong. (LMAO, NICE TRY!)
The opening thread, the opening lines: "Gov. Cuomo committed a "gravely sacrilegious" act by receiving Communion while holding certain political beliefs and living with his girlfriend, Sandra Lee, a Vatican canon law adviser said Tuesday."
The discussion included abortion but not exclusively. And, The response from the church still applies weather it concerns abortion, gay marriage or living together: The statement, in full: There are norms of the church governing the sacraments which Catholics are expected to observe.
However, it is unfair and imprudent to make a pastoral judgment about a particular situation without knowing all the facts.
As a matter of pastoral practice we would not comment publicly on anything which should be addressed privately, regardless if the person is a public figure or a private citizen.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Nice try Tom, the discussion is about supporting abortion and receiving Holy Communion - not living together.
That being said, Hubbard doesn't support the teachings of the Church he was appointed to represent, so why doesn't this surprise me.
================ No it's not. That guy in Detroit, specifically said "living together".
Why is it that politicians that support the death penalty are not denied Holy Communion? I'm pretty sure that you remember that particular commandment, and no, I'm not "pro abortion". Are you one of those imbeciles that picket Planned Parenthood (when the weather is nice), and discourage people from getting things like pap smears, and preventative birth control, which prevents actual abortions? You can't have an abortion if you're not pregnant, Ever heard of those new fangled devices called birth control pills, or condoms? That is MAINLY what they do there. If it weren't for them (who provide birth control to many "low income" people) the cost of social services, would skyrocket. You're just kinda have to trust me on this now, but in that neighborhood, preventative measures are sorely needed.
This thread is not discussing abortion, take that "argument" to a different one.
I'm 99.99 percent sure, that our current governor can't get pregnant.
Stop me if you've heard this one. Shut up, You are making yourself out to be the moron, that I'm reasonably sure you are not.
Hey, we agree on some things, but not on others, but that is what separates us from the monkeys in city hall.
RATIONAL discourse, (without any type of media interference) is the only way to save this country, and preserve the well being of your own grand children's futures.
I have a real problem with the whole "hit and run, "I gots mine WOO HOO!" fug all y'all, mentality", that seems to be the norm now.
I also have no idea how I managed to be taken in by an internet troll, on a local website no less. Kudos troll, you lured me in.
However, it is unfair and imprudent to make a pastoral judgment about a particular situation without knowing all the facts.
you know what's funny....we set up judges all over and then complain about them.....not to mention if they dont know the facts, they missed that class in 5th grade.....here's your sign....yeah, I think it's a miracle...
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
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