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Box A Rox
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Bottomline-- killing an unborn human baby in the womb is unnecessary and despicable.  There is no rational justification for murdering the weakest among us.   The "extreme left" will make up a lot of arguments for their "pro-murder of the holy innocents"  ... but none of their arguments make any sense.

Like the one that says that a fetus is not a human --- a fetus inside a mother's womb has never turned out to become a carrot or a spleen or a sparrow .... every fetus that has come to term has become a human baby.   That is something that can be scientifically proven.     To say that it is not a human is not scientific at all ... just a bunch of poppycock.

Furthermore,  the "it is not a human" argument has been used by the likes of Hitler - against the Jews ... by Slaveowners -- against blacks ...  and on and on through history.     If the "pro-abortion" folks want to be in the same company with the Third Reich and Slaveowners -- that is their business ... but it certainly proves that they have a twisted view of Human Rights and morality.


I've never heard the "a fetus is not human" argument.  
IMO, it's as human as any human cells... brain, blood, fingernail, are all HUMAN tissue, but none are a human being.







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I've never heard the "a fetus is not human" argument.  
IMO, it's as human as any human cells... brain, blood, fingernail, are all HUMAN tissue, but none are a human being.



Human life begins at conception.     We need a constitutional amendment to put that definition in the US Constitution.


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I wont say that an unborn baby isnt human.  I believe in pro choice on the grounds of the situation that the pregnancy came about.  If a woman is raped, Im sure she doesnt want to give birth to the child of the rapist.  If the fetus is shown on an ultrasound to be deformed or something wrong, Im sure the woman wont want to carry full term.  I myself wont have any more kids due to what happened with the delivery of the one I have.  But should I accidently get pregnant, it would be life threatening to both myself and the child.  Neither of us would survive.  Do you seriously think I would go full term?  

The abortions that I consider unjustified are the ones where a woman is using them as a means of birth control.  To that I say she should be fixed so she cant have any more.  I find that disgusting.

But for circumstances I mentioned above, I feel it should be the choice.  I know there is always the option of adoption.  But for a woman that was raped, thats her choice whether or not to have to deal with that for the rest of her life.  
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Human life begins at conception.    .



We agree.  Human life begins at conception.

  Human beings begin at birth.


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We agree.  Human life begins at conception.

  Human beings begin at birth.


A  human life is a human being.  


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1. you are NOT guaranteed that the birth will render a child(subtract all the equipement in use to 'monitor' a fetus and you have NO F'EN clue)
2. science does NOT say what is a human being, you are homosapian, anything outside that is soul/spirit etc(not science)
3. a pregnancy even if it goes to almost full term doesn't always guarantee 'life'
4. a woman(not man) can have amniocentisis done to determine some diseases or congenital issues(for what?)
5. science is NOT 100% correct(folks would be surprised and the low number it is)

hence, it is the SOUL/MIND/BODY/SPIRIT of the woman and her significant other and family, friends, church etc(if she chooses) to make that decision
if she can handle/deal etc with the GIANT issue inside of her.....it is that personal.....

unless 'god' shows up and gives her the answer personally(because he is god and he can)then she has FREE WILL....and you are a sinner just like
everyone else and you will not be held accountable for the choice.....it is that personal....and being a man you wont have to make that choice
undergo the needle stick into your belly, undergo the conversations in your head, undergo the change in hormones, undergo ANYTHING that is
remotely womanly in pregnancy....unless of course you dont have testicles and you have ovaries?......it's that personal.....

PS....it's a sin to 'spill seed'.....look it up boys....


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1. you are NOT guaranteed that the birth will render a child(subtract all the equipement in use to 'monitor' a fetus and you have NO F'EN clue)

PS....it's a sin to 'spill seed'.....look it up boys....




1. I can guarantee you, it WILL NOT produce a puppy, kitten or spleen. It can only produce a human being.

Sin to "spill seed" ... which one of the 10 commandments is that?
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3. a pregnancy even if it goes to almost full term doesn't always guarantee 'life'


When I go to bed tonight there is no guarantee I wake up in the morning either.  It doesn't mean somebody can kill me while I'm asleep.


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The folks who claim that the Church is not up to date on science  make the most  unscientific statement -- when they say that a fetus is not guaranteed to become a human baby.    

MT deserves kudos for his response --- because he is 100% correct on the matter --- I have not seen any evidence of a fetus in a mother's womb suddenly becoming a puppy.      And the basic premise of the scientific method is that scientific truth can only be proven if someone is able to replicate it or repeat it.   The scientific truth is that a fetus in a human mother's womb will become a human baby .. thus it is a human life.


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1. I can guarantee you, it WILL NOT produce a puppy, kitten or spleen. It can only produce a human being.

Sin to "spill seed" ... which one of the 10 commandments is that?


It could of been there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TAtRCJIqnk



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I find the mockery of a religion despicable - be it in the name of comedy, cartoons (Mohammad) or heretical posters.
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Great video to put a smile on my face on a snowy day. : )  Mel Brooks is too funny. I think Jesus even had a sense of humor as he was human while on earth.
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I find the mockery of a religion despicable - be it in the name of comedy, cartoons (Mohammad) or heretical posters.


that is why it is that personal.....and the bible even talks about the folks praying in public for all to see....so as I see it,,,,if you/I or
anyone's religious belief is NOT to abort then follow it, YOURSELF...not in public not hitting someone else over the head....it is still
that personal....I shouldn't have to know what religious clan you belong to and you dont need to know mine,,,,it is that personal...
religion is a form of self discipline and rooting out of stuff we dont like and replacing it with something that we do like.....

as for the mocking....dont take it personal....I'm sure if god did we would all be on fire right now......and god can defend himself


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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that is why it is that personal.....and the bible even talks about the folks praying in public for all to see....so as I see it,,,,if you/I or
anyone's religious belief is NOT to abort then follow it,


So as long as MY religion believes that rape, murder, theft or any other behavior that violates basic human rights is ok, I can do it?  The anti-abortion argument is that the baby deserves the same rights as everybody else.  The arbitrary number of 24 weeks gestation before receiving constitutional rights is a tragedy.


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So as long as MY religion believes that rape, murder, theft or any other behavior that violates basic human rights is ok, I can do it?  The anti-abortion argument is that the baby deserves the same rights as everybody else.  The arbitrary number of 24 weeks gestation before receiving constitutional rights is a tragedy.


it's not a tragedy....it's a fact of life over many many many many generations.....long before christ or any other of the religious
leaders.....they speak personally to each person....a person chooses to give child breath and even then they dont give life......and even before that argument is had a person chooses to have/not have sex....

life
rights
religion
science
societal
personal


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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