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Abortion was always available in the USA for the wealthy.  What Roe vs Wade did was to make it available and safe for all women, not just those with wealth or power.
Before Roe vs Wade,  the poor or middle class would risk jail, or death while getting an abortion; the wealthy family doctor would preform abortions and label them a "d&c".  Wealthy women would also "go abroad on vacation" while in reality they went abroad where abortion was safe and legal.

Repealing Roe vs Wade won't end abortion... it will just drive them back to the back alleys, raise the price, and once again take the life of women.


It has been available all over the world for the wealthy(just to save face)....Mr.Edwards little concubine is fairing well...and we could be
having a different conversation about the infamous 'blue dress and cigar' scenario......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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But certainly when it comes to
pro-life issues ... I am 100% pro-life .. straight down the line.    .


And let the pro-abortion, adulterous governor receive Communion, huh?


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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And let the pro-abortion, adulterous governor receive Communion, huh?


That is not my decision to make nor yours.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
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is getting the folks of the town to work together to have a great parks and recreational system.  


Even if that means taxpayers lose their homes from paying high taxes?????    YOu DO remember the SOCIALIST mayor of Schenectady who had to have a GOVERNMENT park.

What is more important????   Homeowner paying for heating bills or a bunch of druggies having a park?  Homeowners having police protection or a municipal park?

When financial times are good, fine, spend money on parks AFTER THE NECESSITIES.  Just like our household budgets.  We pay for NECESSITIES (the replacement furnace, the replacement roof, food, medical) and then AFTER THE NECESSITIES we can say we have money to buy the swingset for the backyard, or a pool, etc.

But financial times are BAD, VERY VERY VERY VERY BAD.  And in these times, we look at our household budgets.  We pay for the NE CESSITIES FIRST (the replacement furnace, the replacement roof, food, medical) and the we say "there is no money for to buy a swingset (or replace the existing one).   And the government must do the same, DV, provide ONLY NECESSARY service.  People will NOT DIE if there is no parks or recreation system in town, in the city, etc.  Quality of life issue?   Well, I'd rather have a quality of life where my children can play outside without getting shot, rather than living in a crime ridden area but have fancy parks.  It provides exercise?   Just walk, one does NOT need tax dollars spent on a park, in order to get exercise.  People walk through their neighborhoods every day for exercise and it doesn't cost taxpayer dollars


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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That is not my decision to make nor yours.


Great Catholic "defender of the faith" you are Ron.
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Great Catholic "defender of the faith" you are Ron.


It is not my job to decide who should receive communion or not.  And given your track record of bashing priestsand the bishop -- if it were up to me you would not receive communion.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
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But financial times are BAD, VERY VERY VERY VERY BAD.  And in these times, we look at our household budgets.  We pay for the NE CESSITIES FIRST (the replacement furnace, the replacement roof, food, medical) and the we say "there is no money for to buy a swingset (or replace the existing one).   And the government must do the same, DV, provide ONLY NECESSARY service.  People will NOT DIE if there is no parks or recreation system in town, in the city, etc.  Quality of life issue?   Well, I'd rather have a quality of life where my children can play outside without getting shot, rather than living in a crime ridden area but have fancy parks.  It provides exercise?   Just walk, one does NOT need tax dollars spent on a park, in order to get exercise.  People walk through their neighborhoods every day for exercise and it doesn't cost taxpayer dollars


Exactly MIke !!!
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The topic of the thread is about abortion -- so I will reiterate my pro-life stance ... not going to be distracted
by off topic insults and comments from the "peanut gallery".


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

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Anybody ever hear of 'birth control'???

Combined Hormonal Pill
Progestin-Only Pill (Mini-Pill)
Patch          
Progestin-Only Injection
Diaphragm with Spermicide          
Cervical Cap with Spermicide
Male Condom          
Female Condom
Films, Foams, and Jellies          
Copper Intrauterine Device (IUD)
Progestin-Only Intrauterine System (IUS)


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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I agree bumble, but the last few posts have included references to Catholic issues.  All the options you suggested are outlawed by the Catholic Church... so... abortions will continue.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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I agree bumble, but the last few posts have included references to Catholic issues.  All the options you suggested are outlawed by the Catholic Church... so... abortions will continue.


mmm .. there are a lot of non-Catholics having abortions .. so what is there excuse ?????


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

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I agree bumble, but the last few posts have included references to Catholic issues.  All the options you suggested are outlawed by the Catholic Church... so... abortions will continue.


So are you saying that a catholic won't use any means of birth control cause the pope says so, but will have an abortion instead? Don't make any sense at all!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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I'm saying the archaic Catholic Church just recently acknowledged that Galileo Galilei was correct, (that the Earth isn't the center of our solar system, as the Church contended; which took 300 years) ... so how long do you think it will take the Church to catch up with most Catholics who favor (and use)birth control.

How many abortions could be prevented if the Church promoted birth control instead of condemning it?


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Quoted from bumblethru

Anybody ever hear of 'birth control'???

Combined Hormonal Pill
Progestin-Only Pill (Mini-Pill)
Patch          
Progestin-Only Injection
Diaphragm with Spermicide          
Cervical Cap with Spermicide
Male Condom          
Female Condom
Films, Foams, and Jellies          
Copper Intrauterine Device (IUD)
Progestin-Only Intrauterine System (IUS)


the problem is 99% of the options are for women......the Pope is a man......interesting if you ask me.....talk about a cast system


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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the problem is 99% of the options are for women......the Pope is a man......interesting if you ask me.....talk about a cast system


Women have the ultimate birth control option.  Say No, it is 100% full proof.  Unless you are chosen to birth the Lord and Savior,


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