Quoted from Box A Rox

  Peace is possible,

YOU HAVE GO TO BE KIDDING, RIGHT????? So you honestly believe that if America pulled every single troop home, disarmed every single missile, grounded every ship, submarine and war plane........the world would be at peace????

You my cybler friend are dangerous to the security of America!!

Quoted from bumblethru

YOU HAVE GO TO BE KIDDING, RIGHT????? So you honestly believe that if America pulled every single troop home, disarmed every single missile, grounded every ship, submarine and war plane........the world would be at peace????

You my cybler friend are dangerous to the security of America!!

Box. take it away..

Kumbaya...Kumbaya...

I posted facts... so the BS is yours???

Don't give up Shadow... read the history of the area and learn something.

War is almost never the answer... believe me.

Quoted from bumblethru

YOU HAVE GO TO BE KIDDING, RIGHT????? So you honestly believe that if America pulled every single troop home, disarmed every single missile, grounded every ship, submarine and war plane........the world would be at peace????

You my cybler friend are dangerous to the security of America!!

I never advocated that ...those are your words...
But my turn for a question...
How are we safer by killing innocent Iraqi Civilians... women kids and old men.  
We are better than that and it just makes us weaker and our enemies stronger.

The reality of war is we don't have time to ask who is who... by the time we get it confirmed, we're dead and being paraded through the streets. You make your best guess, and go with it.

Many of these "innocent" civilians you talk about don't carry a gun, but are civilian supporters... that to me, no longer makes them innocent

Why doesn't Jordan and Syria give Palestinians their land back?  Go back to the Sykes-Picot Agreement, Palestine was much larger than what is now Israel.  Yet, nobody blames these Arab nations for the Palestinian problems.  

History does go back pre-1948.  

Finally we are getting somewhere TBIRD!!!
You've finally drawn a line... a very clear line.

This statement changes everything:
~"Many of these "innocent" civilians you talk about don't carry a gun, but are civilian supporters... that to me, no longer makes them innocent"~

So in your estimation, in the global war on terror, and the attack on the World Trade Center, the civilians killed were, as you put it , "CIVILIAN SUPPORTERS" and no longer innocent.

YOU HAVE JUST GRADUATED TO THE LEVEL OF THE ALQAEDA TERRORISTS!!!

(Now you see the world the same way they do)

Quoted from Box A Rox

I never advocated that ...those are your words...
But my turn for a question...
How are we safer by killing innocent Iraqi Civilians... women kids and old men.  
We are better than that and it just makes us weaker and our enemies stronger.

Oh let's not forget how muslims use women and children as shields. AND they train and use children and women to become homicide bombers!!! And you again blame AMERICAN SOLDIERS????

You are as dangerous as obamuslim is!!!

Quoted from CICERO

Why doesn't Jordan and Syria give Palestinians their land back?  Go back to the Sykes-Picot Agreement, Palestine was much larger than what is now Israel.  Yet, nobody blames these Arab nations for the Palestinian problems.  

History does go back pre-1948.  

Good question ... WHy don't we give the USA back to the Indians?

Quoted from Box A Rox

Finally we are getting somewhere TBIRD!!!
You've finally drawn a line... a very clear line.

This statement changes everything:
~"Many of these "innocent" civilians you talk about don't carry a gun, but are civilian supporters... that to me, no longer makes them innocent"~

So in your estimation, in the global war on terror, and the attack on the World Trade Center, the civilians killed were, as you put it , "CIVILIAN SUPPORTERS" and no longer innocent.

YOU HAVE JUST GRADUATED TO THE LEVEL OF THE ALQAEDA TERRORISTS!!!

(Now you see the world the same way they do)

When I say supporters, I mean harborers..people who aid without killing...I don't think too many in the WTC building actively aided. Don't sit and try to build a case, when you don't have a clue.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Lets use Voice Of Reason & TBird's rules...

Israel won the wars so all the land is theres... Period.

Japan is now part of the USA, so is Germany, and well the French govt abandoned France to the Vishi French... SO FRANCE IS OURS TOO!
We could make a US state out of the Philippines, Nicaragua, Cuba, Italy... In fact there isn't much of the world that WOULDN'T be part of the USA using the Voice & Tbird's way of thinking!

Love it when they just invent rules to fit their agenda, then put their brain in park!!!  

Actually there was some thought to making the Philippines and Cuba part of the US -- after the
Spanish American War.  
As for Israel,   The land that the State of Israel is on (minus Gaza, West Bank, and the Golan
Heights) was set aside for Israel as part of the 1948 UN resolution which created two states out
of the British  and French "mandates" or territories --    Palestinians WERE given a state in
1948 .. that is Jordan.    So they should move there and leave Israel alone.
As for the West  Bank, Gaza, and Golan Heights .. Israel won them in wars started by the
Arabs .. keeping them as part of Israel is in its best security interests .. so let it stay.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Good question ... WHy don't we give the USA back to the Indians?

Awwww...A red herring Box.  I'm disappointed in ya.  

Israel won the war in 48, right??
They won???

They exist, but they exist the way you would if you were a mouse in a country full of hungry wolves.  They have had several chances at peace, so has the other side.
Hard liners will prefer War to peace every time.  War is easy... War is profitable... with a good war you can control the population and keep them in fear forever.

What has Israel won?  They weren't defeated, and that's a good thing, but what did they win.  Peace? NO. Security? No.... What???

They won a constant state of war... forever, unless they one day decide to take the difficult path and finally... FINALLY FIGHT FOR PEACE!

Quoted from Box A Rox

Finally we are getting somewhere TBIRD!!!
You've finally drawn a line... a very clear line.

This statement changes everything:
~"Many of these "innocent" civilians you talk about don't carry a gun, but are civilian supporters... that to me, no longer makes them innocent"~

So in your estimation, in the global war on terror, and the attack on the World Trade Center, the civilians killed were, as you put it , "CIVILIAN SUPPORTERS" and no longer innocent.

YOU HAVE JUST GRADUATED TO THE LEVEL OF THE ALQAEDA TERRORISTS!!!

(Now you see the world the same way they do)

The radical Muslims attacked the World Trade Center in 1993 and 2001, along with many other American interests around the world during the 1990's.  We attacked Afghanistan and Iraq in 2001 and 2003.  How can you blame current wars that were started in response to an accumulation of terrorist actions in the past?  

Is selective memory a symptom of Bush Derangement Syndrome?

Are you really suggesting that the hate involved in attacking the WTC started in the last few decades??? Really???

Ask the Irish... they consider their war for independence to have begun 400 years ago... and both sides invested a lot to keep it that way.

Keep your eye for an eye mentality and the entire world will be blind... the winner will be the last lone man with one eye!  VICTORY!!!