Here is Paul Tonko signing on with the most leftist members of congress including the terrorist inside agent Ellison from Minn., and supporting rewarding residents of Gaza for their continuing efforts at destroying Israel, and paying them for the destruction in Gaza which they have inflicted on themselves with their terrorism against Israel!
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
Gaza is Palestinian... It is NOT part of Israel... So, who are the Terrorists occupying Gaza?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
These and other questions will be addressed more fully as you go through this website. However, there is a preliminary historical fact that must be established now. There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine" and the very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation" having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct "Palestinian" culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed BY Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964... three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palestine" lost the West Bank [Judea and Samaria] and Gaza as a result of the 1967 Six-Day War (which the Arabs started). Even the so-called leader of the "Palestinian" people, Yasser Arafat, is EGYPTIAN! In short, the so-called Arab "Palestinians" are a manufactured people...a people with no history and no authenticity... whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy the Jewish State!
Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later in 586 B.C.E. these first ancient Jews in the Land of Israel [Judea] were overrun and Israel's First Jewish Temple (on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount) was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple in Jerusalem upon the Temple Mount. Thus the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago right after the Holocaust and drove out the Arabs is preposterous!
Then in 70 C.E. (nearly 2000 years ago), it was the Roman Empire's turn to march through ancient Israel and destroy the SECOND Jewish Temple, slaughtering or driving out much of its Jewish population. Many Jews left on their own because conditions for life were made unbearable in many respects... yet thousands upon thousands stayed and rebelled on for centuries in order to once again rebuild a Jewish Nation in this Holy Land.
Over 3250 years, various Peoples, Religions and Empires marched through Jerusalem, Israel's ancient capital. The region was successively ruled by the Hebrews [Jews], Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Maccabeans, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Egyptians, the Crusaders, Mamelukes, the Turks (who indifferently governed the backward, neglected territory from the 16th century until the British drove them out during World War I) and then once again by the Jews in 1948. None bothered, nor were they in the least bit inclined, to build a Nation of their own... EXCEPT the Jews!
It must be noted that in 636 C.E., when the Arabs marauders came to the land and uprooted even more of its Jews, they did not form any Arab nation there... and certainly not a "Palestinian" nation. They were simply "Arabs" who, as did others before them, moved into a geo-political area called "Palestine!" And remember this one fact... it was not the Jews who "usurped" (a favorite word from the Arab propagandists) the land from the Arabs. If anything, it was the Arabs in 636 C.E. who overran and stole it from the Jews!
Gaza is Palestinian... It is NOT part of Israel... So, who are the Terrorists occupying Gaza?
This was territory gained from the 1967 war that was STARTED by the Arabs..with Nasser closing the Straits of Tiran Israel then kicked the sh*t out of them...to the winners go the spoils.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
So Shadow denies that Palestine... sort of like Israel before the their war in the late 40's!
No matter how much Shadow bobs & weaves... Palestine is a FACT.
~Gaza & The Saini was "OCCUPIED" by Israel in 1956, but withdrew. ~Again occupied at the '67 war. ~In March 1979 Israel and Egypt signed the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty, withdrawing from Saini, but not Gaza. ~The Gaza Strip remained under Israeli military administration until 1994. ~In May 1994, following the Palestinian-Israeli agreements known as the Oslo Accords, a phased transfer of governmental authority to the Palestinians took place. ~In September 1995, Israel and the PLO signed a second peace agreement, extending the Palestinian Authority to most West Bank towns. The agreement also established an elected 88-member Palestinian National Council. ~On 12 September 2005 the Israeli cabinet formally declared an end to Israeli military occupation of the Gaza Strip. ~The Israel Defence Forces left the Gaza Strip on 1 September 2005 as part of Israel's unilateral disengagement plan, and all Israeli citizens were evicted from the area. ~In the Palestinian parliamentary elections held on January 25, 2006, Hamas won a plurality of 42.9% of the total vote and 74 out of 132 total seats (56%). When Hamas assumed power the next month, the Israeli government and the United States and the EU refused to recognize its right to govern the Palestinian Authority. ~Following the victory of Hamas in the 2006 Palestinian legislative election, Hamas and Fatah formed a Palestinan authority national unity government ~Fighting continues in Gaza.
SO in summary... Shadows post " There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine"... Appears to be incorrect. A peaceful Palestine is the solution to the problem... but maybe hardliners will manage to keep the fighting going for another 60 years before they realize that fact.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The UN resolution that set the stage for the establishment of the State of Israel (194 also created a nation-state called Palestine TransJordan --> which we know today as Jordan. Basically - the "mandate territory" once occupied by Britain and France was split into the State of Israel and a Palestinian State (Jordan or Palestine TransJordan) and set to establish Jerusalem as an "international city" under UN auspices - with free access for Jews, Muslims, and Christians. The Palestinians rejected the UN arrangement in 1948 -- Israel accepted it -- and the Palestinians declared war on Israel ... thus igniting the ongoing "Arab-Israeli Conflict".
I am very conservative when it comes to foreign policy -- my position is clear and succinct -- there is a Jewish state - Israel (which includes the territories of Gaza, the West Bank , and Golan Heights which Israel won legimately after Arabs attacked them and Israel defeated them) there already is a Palestinian State .. Jordan -- get over it and learn to live in peace. Israel should NOT surrender a single square inch in any further negotiations -- and the US should back Israel 1000%. period - end of story
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
Israel won the wars so all the land is theres... Period.
Japan is now part of the USA, so is Germany, and well the French govt abandoned France to the Vishi French... SO FRANCE IS OURS TOO! We could make a US state out of the Philippines, Nicaragua, Cuba, Italy... In fact there isn't much of the world that WOULDN'T be part of the USA using the Voice & Tbird's way of thinking!
Love it when they just invent rules to fit their agenda, then put their brain in park!!!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Israel won the wars so all the land is theres... Period.
Japan is now part of the USA, so is Germany, and well the French govt abandoned France to the Vishi French... SO FRANCE IS OURS TOO! We could make a US state out of the Philippines, Nicaragua, Cuba, Italy... In fact there isn't much of the world that WOULDN'T be part of the USA using the Voice & Tbird's way of thinking!
Love it when they just invent rules to fit their agenda, then put their brain in park!!!
Not at all, clown... It was the USA's CHOICE to let go of these countries, they could have just as well kept a hold of them LIKE the USSR pretty much did after WW2 (umm East Germany, etc)...If they chose to keep them fine, because they won these lands. Israel should be able to choose when and IF they let go of Gaza.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
So Tbird VOTES against international law, against international boundaries and believes in total conquest of the strongest army! (USSR seems to be his idol and model for the future.)
Fortunately, most Americans feel the opposite.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Archeological sites to this very day continue to yield artifacts with Hebrew writing, not some fictitious "Palestinian" or Arabic text! The so-called "Palestinian" Arabs were simply then, as they are now, Arabs no different culturally, historically or ethnically from other Arabs living in any of the 24 Arab countries from which they emigrated. The suggestion that the "Palestinians" are some sub-group of Arabs with their own unique identity is pure fiction! Where is all the artifacts that have been left by the Palistinians if in fact they were there long ago as you state Box?
Israel won the wars so all the land is theres... Period.
Japan is now part of the USA, so is Germany, and well the French govt abandoned France to the Vishi French... SO FRANCE IS OURS TOO! We could make a US state out of the Philippines, Nicaragua, Cuba, Italy... In fact there isn't much of the world that WOULDN'T be part of the USA using the Voice & Tbird's way of thinking!
Love it when they just invent rules to fit their agenda, then put their brain in park!!!
boxy....you are mixing apples and oranges here!!!!!!!!! The 'arabs' want the Jews DEAD AND NONEXISTENT!!! If you think for one minute that the 'arabs' can live peacefully near Israel (the Jews), than I have a bridge to no-where to sell you. THEYWANT THE JEWS TO BE NON-EXISTENT!!!
Don't the 'arabs' own all of the land surrounding Israel? You mean to tell me there is not one other piece of land their brother arabs could give the palastinians? Pallleeezzzz!!! THEY WANT THE JEWS DEAD!!! They have publicly stated just that!!!!
And tonko is absolutely out of his mind!!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Shadow... Pack your bags... there are Artifacts in this country from Paleo-Indians that go back at least 10,000 years!
Lets not change your rules for "who owns what" just because you lose your home, job and country!
I wonder who the Indians are going to get to work in their casinos when all the rest of us are kicked out of the USA???
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So Tbird VOTES against international law, against international boundaries and believes in total conquest of the strongest army! (USSR seems to be his idol and model for the future.)
Fortunately, most Americans feel the opposite.
Most Americans are hypocrites then, including you Box.. Because if you truly believe what you say, you'd buy a plane ticket, and move back to your ancestral roots... After all, the USA really belongs to the Native Americans.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
If you think for one minute that the 'arabs' can live peacefully near Israel (the Jews), than I have a bridge to no-where to sell you. THEYWANT THE JEWS TO BE NON-EXISTENT!!!
After fighting five major wars with Israel, Egypt has lived at peace with Israel since signing the Camp David Accords in 1978. (Thank you President Jimmy Carters)
War is not inevitable as your Conservative brethren would have you believe. Peace is possible, but just most of the Conservatives on this board... War is more fun!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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