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    This is no different than Obama declaring last week that the mission was accomplished in Iraq and then 2 days later the terrorists conducted a series of bombings.


There is a difference...It's Obama.  

Read True Believer by Eric Hoffer, and you can better understand Obamamaniacs like Box.  


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BoxOfRocks,
    First, you need to get all your facts in order -  President Bush chose to continue reading to the school children for 2 reasons - 1) the Secret Service had decided that the President would return to the airport from the school by way of Marine 1 - which was several minutes away - rather than motorcade the President back to airport   and 2) did you expect the President of the United States to tell the school children that we had just been attacked or go into some state of hysteria?     President Bush calmy responded .. and then when Marine 1 was on the ground outside the school .. he departed calmly.

     As for the "mission accomplished" sign - technically -- the first mission was accomplished .. Saddam Hussein had been deposed.      This is no different than Obama declaring last week that the mission was accomplished in Iraq and then 2 days later the terrorists conducted a series of bombings.

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I guess GWB couldn't use a phone to access the WTC damage and plan a response by phone???
and
Bush couldn't get advice from the CIA or FBI directly in that 15 minutes...
and
Bush couldn't discuss the event with his top security advisers in that 15 minutes...
and
Bush never thought to discuss personally any thing with anyone in that 15 minutes...
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Bush couldn't possibly excuse himself from the school children with out causing hysteria could he???
of course not.
And
Bush couldn't possibly say that some 'presidential business has come up and the teacher will continue reading...
of course not.
And
If it were a nuke that had gone off in NYC, do ya think Bush would have continued to read... so as not to cause hysteria... NO OTHER OPTION EXCEPT HYSTERIA...
of course not.

Iraq?
Bush's mission as HE explained it, was regime change, that mission had not yet been attained. Saddam was still at large and still the president as far as most Iraqi's were concerned, and there had been no change.  Just the elimination of Saddam as visible leader, no other govt was yet established... no mission accomplished.
The war wasn't over...
Peace had not been declared...
Americans and Iraqis were still fighting and dying...
The only mission accomplished was the political photo op mission accomplished when some one flew Bush to a carrier for pics.

Obama's 'mission' was to bring combat troops home on schedule (mission accomplished). The war in Iraq is lost... there is NO changing that.  Obama never promised to WIN the war that Bush had lost... just to end the bleeding.
Those Americans still in Iraq on training missions are scheduled to leave but not soon enough.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Quoted from Box A Rox

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I guess GWB couldn't use a phone to access the WTC damage and plan a response by phone???
and
Bush couldn't get advice from the CIA or FBI directly in that 15 minutes...
and
Bush couldn't discuss the event with his top security advisers in that 15 minutes...
and
Bush never thought to discuss personally any thing with anyone in that 15 minutes...
2
Bush couldn't possibly excuse himself from the school children with out causing hysteria could he???
of course not.
And
Bush couldn't possibly say that some 'presidential business has come up and the teacher will continue reading...
of course not.


Bush could have gone into a phone both and put his cape on and flew himself to the WTC to hold the buildings up until everybody was safely evacuated.  

THEN... He could fly to Pennsylvania to shoot down flight 93 with his eye lasers.  
THEN...He could fly to Washington DC and stand in front of the Pentagon and stopped the plane by letting it run into his chest.  
THEN...He could have went into orbit and flew around the earth in the opposite direction, in essence turning back time, and he could have taken Osama Bin Laden out to dinner, and apologize to the 19 hijackers before the acts of terrorism even happen.

Oh...Wait...Only Obama can do that.  My mistake.



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C.mon guys, give Box a break.

This is all he has to hang on to.

With the Obama/Biden recovery summer tour now in the shitter, and the prospect of the dems losing BOTH houses, the libs are two steps away from committing harri cari.  All they can come up with is Bush this, and Reagan that..

I'm enjoying the show with my bag of popcorn.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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The only way a country turns around is via a generation change........

"The Greatest generation"
"The Boomers"
"The X Gens"
"The Y Gens"


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The only way a country turns around is via a generation change........

"The Greatest generation"
"The Boomers"
"The X Gens"
"The Y Gens"


it used to be the "baby boomers" were the ones born between 1940 and 1960 .. now they say between
1945 and 1965  --- personally .. I never considered myself a "baby boomer" -- to me they were
pot smoking, anti-government hippies


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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
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it used to be the "baby boomers" were the ones born between 1940 and 1960 .. now they say between
1945 and 1965  --- personally .. I never considered myself a "baby boomer" -- to me they were
pot smoking, anti-government hippies


and look at the beheamoth that was built....it's bigger than the one they protested.....our government is a reflection of those who
vote it build it and change it......no parties to blame here or ever......it is generational.....all those hippies decided to make a machine
commune.......funny......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Bush’s war in Iraq was a disaster...and that's no lie.

    After seven-and-a-half years, U.S. soldiers are finally returning home from Iraq, but 50,000 troops and an undisclosed number of contracted mercenaries will remain.

    Regardless of Saddam’s past, there was a huge amount of documentation to prove he was never a threat to the United States — the threats produced were all lies.

Remember “shock and awe”, some 37,000 aircraft dropped 13,000 cluster bombs that then exploded into 2 million cluster bombs — wiping out entire areas. Aircraft fired 23,000 missiles, while Navy ships let loose 750 cruise missiles. No figure can be exact, but during the first 21 days of fighting at least 10,000 people were killed — about 3,000 of these were children.

    In the end, the military spending of the United States is now equal to the total of all the nations of the world combined — while the federal government must borrow 40 cents of every dollar to foot the bills.

    The Bush wars may be the last hurrah for America — a tragic finish for a once-great nation.

    M. J. V. Schenectady
    (LTE, Daily Gazette)
http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2010/sep/02/0902_print/


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Having a debate with BOX reminds me of conversations with my nieces and nephews when they were
toddlers ..  except that my nieces and nephews made more sense than Box does


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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
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Having a debate with BOX reminds me of conversations with my nieces and nephews when they were
toddlers ..  except that my nieces and nephews made more sense than Box does


A debate??? I post fact and opinion... the usual reply is OH YEA!
Hardly a debate.
What I posted above is a letter to the editor, not my opinion or fact.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Boo Hoo :'(, they're picking on Georgie again!
You seem to think that the problem with the Bush legacy is the PICTURES!  The problem isn't with the Pics of Bush... IT's WITH BUSH!

Pics of Katrina boo hoo... Those are pics of Americans lives being lost.
Pics of Iraq... Boo Hoo... Those are pics of American Men and Women being killed by an unnecessary, optional war of Bush's agenda.

I have no pity for Bush.  Not just the USA but the entire world sees Bush as an incompetent fool and THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER IN US HISTORY.



Well, then, you won't mind if we bring up the same issues once Obama is vacated from the Oval Office.  Maybe Bush WAS the worst President ever, but I think he was pretty close to what I've heard about Carter.  At the same time, there's another President that got us into a war that we shouldn't have been, one that both sides of the aisle still praise to this date...  Abraham Lincoln.  

I will not suffer from ODS, I will just state the facts and the people will see that this is most likely the fall of the American way.


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the worst president ever will be the one that kills the most Americans via incinerators......the think tanks that surround a Pres make for a machine.....where does anyone think they come from....a vacuum?
the president is just in front to 'take the punches and be the head of the snake'.......I ask what makes up the rest of the body?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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A debate??? I post fact and opinion... the usual reply is OH YEA!
Hardly a debate.
What I posted above is a letter to the editor, not my opinion or fact.


a letter to the editor is an OPINION .. maybe not yours .. but someone else's

and you know what they say about opinions and "rear ends" .. everyone has one


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
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Quoted from Kevin March

there's another President that got us into a war that we shouldn't have been, one that both sides of the aisle still praise to this date...  Abraham Lincoln.  
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REALLY???  Abe Lincoln Lied our way into the Civil War??? Really Kevin???
Abe Lincoln had no choice but to "defend and preserve the constitution of the United States" as sworn to when he was administered the Oath of his presidency.

If you try reading an American History book, under "US civil war" you might find that the war was started when the Southern Confederacy declared independence... according the the US Constitution, an act of war.

GWB started the optional Iraq war in a grab for control over Iraqi oil.    



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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