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President Barack Obama said in Turkey : "We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation.
We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

I  found this very interesting.

Do you know the Preamble for your state?


Alabama 1901, Preamble
We the people of the State of   Alabama , invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution..
Alaska 1956, Preamble We, the people of   Alaska , grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.
Arizona 1911, Preamble We, the people of the State of   Arizona , grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...
Arkansas 1874, Preamble We, the people of the State of   Arkansas , grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...
California 1879, Preamble We, the People of the State of   California , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom...
Colorado 1876, Preamble We, the people of   Colorado , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe....
Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut , acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in  permitting them to enjoy.
Delaware 1897, Preamble Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences...
Florida 1885, Preamble We, the people of the State of   Florida , grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...
Georgia 1777, Preamble We, the people of   Georgia , relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...
Hawaii 1959, Preamble We , the people of   Hawaii , Grateful for Divine Guidance ... Establish this Constitution.
Idaho 1889, Preamble We, the people of the State of   Idaho , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings..
Illinois 1870, Preamble We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil , political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
Indiana 1851, Preamble We, the People of the State of   Indiana , grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of government.
Iowa 1857, Preamble We, the People of the St ate of   Iowa , grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings, establish this Constitution.
Kansas 1859, Preamble We, the people of   Kansas , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.
Kentucky 1891, Preamble.. We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties..
Louisiana 1921, Preamble We, the people of the State of   Louisiana , grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.
Maine 1820, Preamble We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity .. And imploring His aid and direction.
Maryland 1776, Preamble We, the people of the state of   Maryland , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...
Massachusetts 1780, Preamble We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe In the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction  
Michigan 1908, Preamble..   We, the people of the State of   Michigan , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom, establish this Constitution.
Minnesota, 1857, Preamble We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:
Mississippi 1890, Preamble We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.
Missouri 1845, Preamble We, the people of   Missouri , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness . Establish this Constitution...
Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of   Montana , grateful to Almighty God for theblessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..
Nebraska 1875, Preamble We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom . Establish this Constitution.
Nevada 1864, Preamble We the people of the State of   Nevada , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution...
New Hampshire 1792,   Part   I. Art. I. Sec. V Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.
New Jersey 1844, Preamble We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
New Mexico 1911, Preamble We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty..
New York 1846, Preamble We, the people of the State of   New York , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.
North Carolina 1868, Preamble We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those...
North Dakota 1889, Preamble We , the people of   North Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...
Ohio 1852, Preamble We the people of the state of   Ohio , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common.
Oklahoma 1907, Preamble Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, establish this
Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences
Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance.....
Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing...
South Carolina , 1778, Preamble We, the people of the State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.
South Dakota 1889, Preamble We, the people of  South Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties ...
Tennessee 1796, Art. XI..III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...
Texas 1845, Preamble We the People of the  Republic of  Texas , acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.
Utah 1896, Preamble Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.
Vermont 1777, Preamble Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ..
Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other
Washington 1889, Preamble We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution
West Virginia 1872, Preamble Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God .
Wisconsin 1848, Preamble We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility...
Wyoming 1890, Preamble We, the people of the State of  Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties, establish this Constitution...






  After reviewing acknowledgments of God from all 50 state constitutions, one is faced with the prospect that maybe, Obama, the ACLU and the out-of-control federal courts are wrong!
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I find it amusing that Obama and the rest of the historical revisionists erase the fact this nation was founded on Christian principles. Federal funds WERE used for the building of churches in the first few years of our Country.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Well now Saudi Arabia is building mosques here instead!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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MT... Do a word search...you will only find the word CHRISTIAN once in your text. (Backward Virginia)

When you read "GOD" you assume Christian.... why???  Because it's your god?  States who refer to "god" are encompassing ALL GODS not only the Christian GOD.

What Keeps the USA from being a "Christian Nation" is the same thing that gives you the right to bear arms... The US Constitution.  Strange how Conservatives will honor the constitution when it fits their agenda, and ignore it when it's inconvenient.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Strange how the liberal progressives twist the Constitution when it suits there needs as well.
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I am always very clear about the US Constitution, especially about religion...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The Separation Of Church and State

The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the 1st Amendment erected a "wall of separation" between the church and the state (James Madison said it "drew a line," but it is Jefferson's term that sticks with us today). The phrase is commonly thought to mean that the government should not establish, support, or otherwise involve itself in any religion. The Religion Topic Page addresses this issue in much greater detail.
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No one mentioned separation of church and state, but that term describes some of what is guaranteed in the 1st amendment.

Another word NOT in the US Constitution... "GOD".


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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better yet.....who is THEY/THEM?????????


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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No one owns "God" and most certainly the clergy don't. I share Jefferson's suspicions of the clergy. They are the biggest socialists, big-government, whats-in-it-for-my-church crowd there ever was. However, I am certain we were founded on Judeo-Christian tenets, and the evidence abounds without a doubt. Establishment of a preferred state-sponsored church is certainly prohibited and people have the right to practice as they choose, and they also have the right to not be persecuted (as Christians are by the Christophobes in the political class) in the manner that Box and most mainstream and radical socialists (formerly democraps) like to harass them. Of course I imagine we will see islam be the official cult of the left wing and government soon anyway. Right here in the county legislature and city hall we have Imams preaching the opening prayer quite often, so you know that with a few more electoral victories by the socialists, freedom of religion will end and islam will be elevated. It is quite clear, that with only 1% of the population, they have close to 50% of the political muscle. That emanates from the political correctness that is inculcated in the young, lending itself to the principal of "you can't kiss their asses hard enough to make them pleased."

So get down on your knees and kiss that muzzie butt some more, you obviously like it.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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GB-you should go to bed earlier instead of blogging.  Why an't an Imam do an opening prayer in the Legislature?  Or a rabbi or a priest or a minister or a NUN!  I am taking people to visit the Mosque tonight--people far older than you who WANT to see a mosque.  We also will break fast for Ramadan with that community.  It's about education....so you don't have to react in such a vile way.  Learn the culture before you denigrate it.  And I don't mean just learn about the extremists in their midst.  Learn about the real people.  

Wonderful comment by a Syracuse professor last night on Keith Olberman--a woman who lost her pregnant daughter in 9-11.  A woman who was distraught following attacks.  At that time she was my daughter's prof at SU.  Her eloquent remarks last night renered anyone listening speechless--including Olberman.
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Quoted from 612


Wonderful comment by a Syracuse professor last night on Keith Olberman--



Keith who?


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The worst political correctness is the belief that the religious and political leaders should be in bed together regardless of their religion......

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

the world trade center ground IS NOT HOLY......neither is the ground the mosque is to be built.......it's all just some dumb-a$$ property.....dont make
some hooka hub-bub over something that can move the masses to kill......talk about poor leadership on those folks in those top places.......

dont start a religious war over capitalist christ or over capitalist muhammed.........GET OVER IT FOLKS AND MOVE ON!!!!! THIS IS AMERICA....NOW
PIONEER......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Quoted from Shadow
The Separation Of Church and State

The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the 1st Amendment erected a "wall of separation" between the church and the state (James Madison said it "drew a line," but it is Jefferson's term that sticks with us today). The phrase is commonly thought to mean that the government should not establish, support, or otherwise involve itself in any religion. The Religion Topic Page addresses this issue in much greater detail.


Interestingly - Thomas Jefferson spoke of the "wall of separation" .. yet as President (and at that time the US President had control of public schools in DC)  he ordered that all students in the District's schools read  the Chirstian Bible in school.   Jefferson  attended religious services EVERY Sunday in the US Capitol building -- those weekly services continued in the Capitol Building well into the 1850's.

BTW -  99% of the population of the US in 1800 was Christian -- I don't think that anyone back then would have said that we were NOT a Christian nation.   We were then .. we still are .. and we can continue to have BOTH a strong Christian presence (all the denominations) and be a nation that allows Muslims, Jews, and others to practice their faith as they choose.


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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
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