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CICERO
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Those two clips really show what's wrong with this countries educational system and why the standard of education has been dumbed down over the years, very sad. Good find Cicero
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If you think education is expensive- try ignorance.


Oneida Elementary K-2  Yates 3-6
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Yes, ignorance is what we are paying for.  An educated public wouldn't compensate educators this well for these dismal results.  


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Yes, ignorance is what we are paying for.  An educated public wouldn't compensate educators this well for these dismal results.  


The answer isn't to not pay, if that is what you are saying, it is to expect better results.  
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The teachers union won't let you demand results.
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The teachers union won't let you demand results.


That indeed might be a problem, public worker unions are way too strong.
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I don't mind paying my 'fair' share for educators. But I do mind paying over and beyond for a service that is both overpaid and underproductive.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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I don't mind paying my 'fair' share for educators. But I do mind paying over and beyond for a service that is both overpaid and underproductive.


I agree, and teachers deserve to be paid well.  Maybe we should be paying for more teachers and better supplies.  I also know the teacher can only do so much and that an involved parent means the kid will do well.
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I also know the teacher can only do so much and that an involved parent means the kid will do well.


That is the mantra that comes out of the public teachers unions, in order to justify their high wages and poor results.  As someone that works in the private sector and supervises entry level employees, I get to see first hand the people that had no parental involvement and received a poor public education(many from Schenectady City School District).  And guess what, I can't use the excuse with my boss or the customer that the people I am supervising are not performing because they had a poor upbringing and our public schools failed them.  No, I have to play the hand I am dealt and make it work.  Unlike in public education, in the private sector, if I don't make it work, the company will find somebody that can.  Companies spend a lot of money in training employees, and implement many different strategies when dealing with the HUGE number of undereducated in the job market.  Companies don't have the luxury of just throwing their hands up and say "there' s nothing we can do, our workers are victims of public education."  

Public Education has to be the only industry that gets away with blaming their customers for their epic failures.  

Yet, we continue to pay.


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No, but if your employees suck, you get new ones.  Not the case in public school.  And even if you have a great teacher, if a child has no work ethic and their parent doesn't work with them and keep on them for homework, you won't see good results in school.  It is a combination of both Cicero, and I agree the unions chant that line well, but it is true as well.  
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No, but if your employees suck, you get new ones.  


At what expense? Just to go into a labor pool filled with MORE undereducated workers?  

It is the 3rd party payer system that is driving up the costs of medical and education and ultimately leading to the failure of both.  These are two service industries where the individual consumer must deal with corporate or government bureaucrats.  The consumer has no control, especially when talking about education.


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One of the problems with the system is that there is no incentive for a teacher to do a good job because they get paid their salary, pension, and benefits no matter how well they teach their students. It's time to pay teachers based on how well they do their jobs just like in the private sector. If a class can't pass the NYS required tests then the teacher gets no raise until they do. In the words of an old boss I had years ago, secret of success work hard or be fired and he meant it.
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The problem is not low expectations but low taxpayer demands. Teachers need to be evaluated and removed if unsuitable. Ditto for the administration.

    Too much emphasis on capital improvements, electronic signs (now also at Nisky High), new turf fields, instead of classroom performance. Some how Catholic and Charter schools can do more with less.
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