Lots of clerks, but far more nurses, geologists, engineers, attorneys, truck drivers, heavy equipment operators, tax specialists, troopers, bridge inspectors, foresters and prison guards to name a few. Jobs that all require taking a civil service test. Take one just for fun and see how you do.
Secretaries at GE make more than secretaries in NYS. As I said, look at specific job titles and see how the numbers compare.
I would guess that in institutions where nurses are required, the government entity is just as understaffed as the privates.
If anyone thinks there are too many geologists, bridge inspectors, or engineers, then ask why bridges aren't inspected frequently enough or not good enough, Crown Point Bridge excellent example.
I don't know how many attorneys the governments have, I think like in the city and town isn't it only one? And at the local level, they would probably be like a general practice type, I mean, the attorney for the town or city probably is not a specialist in claims law AND real property law AND ADA law AND environmental law AND eminent domain law AND civil service law, AND employee relations law, AND public officer's law AND general business law, AND etc etc etc etc etc. So municipalities "contract out" on a case by case basis for certain cases. I'm guessing the state and federal departments have attorneys that are specialized, but I'll bet you any money that when they go into court, that the attorney(s) for the opposition side, assumikng it's a private attorney, makes way far more than the government attorney in federal or state government.
Tax specialists. Well, to answer that, are you annoyed when you call the IRS or the state dept, are you annoyed when you have to wait 15 minutes on hold to ask a question?
Heavy equipment operators, well, think about it when you wait to have your street plowed, your street repaved, the bridge replaced, etc
If bridges are falling down, if we wait in line in a government office or we are put on hold, or we make an appintment and it's months out, or our legal case takes a long time, then are there enough employees?
I'm merely providing food for thought. I think various government entities are different, I'm not attacking or praising one vs the other.
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Oh yeah, I have a parent who worked for the state, retired now, with family coverage. The cost per month ranges from $216 to $1,015 (yes, that $1,000 figure is per month). And you might be interested in knowing that it does not cover any long term care whatsoever and the hospital coverage might be about a month of coverage if Medicare authorizes it (yes, the insurance plans are at the mercy of the big government plan known as Medicare).
And they do pay federal taxes.
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
NO ONE has 'free longterm care'........we all pay for it via taxes....unless one chooses to purchases it separately....
although GE used to have it.......from what I have learned from the folks I take care of, is that it was offered to them included... I never learned if they contributed or not.....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
It has been over a year, with multiple attempts to bail out banks and big business, and still we have foreclosures and the jobless rate remains in double digits. Perhaps it is time for the “backbone of the country,” the government workers, to bite the bullet and solve the crisis. Although the private sector provides the fuel that runs our country, the government workers (elected officials and workers at all levels) run the country and have the power and responsibility to regulate the fuel production. Perhaps the government’s failure to properly regulate the private sector is the root cause of the crisis and perhaps it is time for the Congress to accept the blame and provide a solution. The key solution would be to activate their authority and regulate big business to prevent exploitation, but an immediate solution might be to stop cutting vitally needed government jobs and put in a 5 percent to 10 percent across-the-board reduction in salaries, with the largest cuts coming at the top levels. Not only would this provide needed funds to balance the budget, it may restore confidence in the top officials who have neglected their responsibility to the people they are supposed to represent. The laying off of government workers would increase the number of unemployed and increased unemployment benefits would add to the debt amount, thus further postponing the recovery. In addition, remaining government workers would suffer from increased workloads and the general public would suffer from inadequate vital services. Laying off of teachers would be the most devastating. Our youth would be shortchanged as would be the future of our country. Another solution could be additional taxation, which with our huge deficit will have to come sooner or later. Coming sooner would slow the recovery and cause an even greater burden on the poor and middle class. Consequently, salary cuts may be a better solution. It may seem unfair for government workers to make the sacrifice, but sacrifi ce when needed is the role of both parents and responsible citizens.
What some people fail to see is that a government employee doesn't really care how much it costs them for their health care. They really don't even care how much money they make. It is the mentality that goes along with public employment. Government employees, at all levels, don't have the drive or desire to step out of their comfort zone and work in the public sector. I don't believe they have the fortitude nor the guts to join a real work force.
They too, like welfare recipients, feel protected, coddled and taken care of. They just follow the piece of cheese in a mazelike robots. IMHO
What an ignorant load of hogwash. As a state worker I can assure that I am most definitely concerned about what my health care costs because I have to pay for it just like a someone in the private sector does. You can kiss my A** Bumble, with your asinine comment about drive. I don't know a public sector worker that has the guts to be a State Worker. I have been on both sides and a Sate position is by far more taxing, you have to do it better than the "other guy" or you lose your spot in the food chain. Most agencies need to provide 24x7x365 staffing so bite me pal.
What an ignorant load of hogwash. As a state worker I can assure that I am most definitely concerned about what my health care costs because I have to pay for it just like a someone in the private sector does. You can kiss my A** Bumble, with your asinine comment about drive. I don't know a public sector worker that has the guts to be a State Worker. I have been on both sides and a Sate position is by far more taxing, you have to do it better than the "other guy" or you lose your spot in the food chain. Most agencies need to provide 24x7x365 staffing so bite me pal.
Sorry to have obviously stuck a nerve. Didn't mean to, but I call it as I see and hear it. I have many many friends and family who work in the public sector. Examples...... - One worked as an accountant for a large employer in the area. He worked there for 1 year. During that year he took a test for the state, because, in his own words 'couldn't take the pressure'! So he gets a job at the state where he opted for lower pay which was compensated by better (entitlements) benefits, more days off and easier work. FACT!
- A married couple worked 30 years at the state where they played cards from 11 am to 2pm everyday. They retired at MORE than their monthly wage, great medical benefits and doesn't pay STATE tax on their pension. They both decided to get a private sector job for some extra income. They both quit their private sector job in a matter of months. Their exact words....'We don't know how people can work in the private sector'. They admitted that is much more work than they experience while at the state.FACT!
- Two separate people work for Schenectady county. They admit that the pay is low, but they will have FULL medical coverage for their entire families when they retire. Plus they just love the days off. Both of these people worked in the private sector before the public sector. They readily admit that everyone should work in the public sector. And why? Better benefits and you don't have to work as hard.!FACT!
- One girl left the state after 1 year. Why? She said that after she read magazines and polished her nails, there was nothing pressing to do. She joined the private sector for the work and competitiveness it brings with it.!FACT!
I could go on and on, but I think you get the picture.
Now I'm not faulting these people or any other public employee for choosing to work in the public sector. What I am saying is that there is too much waste at the taxpayer's expense. Waste that would never be allowed in the private sector. Non essential public workers are nothing more than the water boys/girls for the government.
That is not the case in the private sector. An employee, no matter at what level, are part of a team. A team, that benefits not only themselves, but the company they work for. The people in the private sector have incentives to do a better job for themselves and for the business they work for. The public sector is all about 'me'. The private sector is all about 'us'! There is no 'test taking'. It boils down to qualifications and personal initiatives and attributes.
The private sector is all about making a profit! Something the public sector knows absolutely NOTHING about.
It really is a mentality.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Typical Rotterdam mentality. You look at the few negatives and automatically apply it to the entirety. You should really get out of Rotterdam more and see that there is more to the world than that little hole in the wall.
Typical Rotterdam mentality. You look at the few negatives and automatically apply it to the entirety. You should really get out of Rotterdam more and see that there is more to the world than that little hole in the wall.
these are not just a few negatives. There are more but I didn't want to bore anyone. It is however the true climate of public sector employment. They know nothing about making a profit from hard dedicated work. If they need more money...they just stick their hand in our wallets. Easy, huh? Their job interviews consists of 'taking a test'.
Choosing to be a public employee is taking the easy road to employment. And that is why there is so much waste in the public sector. Betcha ya didn't know that some state and county office workers actually get their kids schools supplies from the state office they work in! And if ya don't believe that....I have ANOTHER bridge to sell ya!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Sorry Bumble, but to get a state job you not only need to take the test, you must also make it through a comprehensive interview. I know from experience from both sides of that. I interviewed twice to get into the job I have currently, and have conducted at least 2 dozen for the position that I oversee.
Those that you claim get their kids school supplies from the office they work in are the exception, not the rule and those few that you mentioned earlier, are obviously lazy. Get your facts straight before spewing utter nonsense that makes you sound ignorant as well as arrogant.
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