The Tea Party movement has now become the thumb that can tip the scales of power in America. The independent voter which both major parties courted in the past, because they knew they were the voting block that determine elections, are now organized. They now have seen(along with the rest of America) that they have great influence in the outcome of elections. The Massachusetts senate race has proven just that. By bringing their energy and ability to organize into a very blue democrat state and turn an election upside down. I predict this is just the beginning. The Tea Party may have backed this Republican RINO in Massachusetts, but it was just an opportunity to display their power. Party bosses on both sides of the isle will be crawling to these Tea Party factions, asking for their support. At which point, these Tea Party organizers will choose to endorse the party candidate that meet their ideals, or run one of their own candidates against them in the general election.
So don't feel alone Rotterdam Republicans, the Tea Party/NNTP movement has also taken out your counterparts on a national level. Like many on this board have said to the Tea Party/NNTP deniers. THIS IS BIGGER THAN YOU!
That is because you don't know how power hungry these state politicians are to control local parties for fund raising purposes.
GB ~ you sound like an idiot. Help me understand this ~ the Rotterdam Republicans were so flush with cash and contributors that the state politicians wanted to get their hands on it?
I think you have lost your mind just like Surhada! You two, along with Howdy and Jerry are the biggest cry babies I have ever heard.
There is a reason the Rotterdam GOP lost and it wasn't because they didn't endorse Mertz ~ they lost for the very reason YOU, Greeny and Spidey work so hard to advance untruths as the defense of losing the election ~ they lost because they want to blame everyone else for their problems and the people have no respect for the "it wasn't my fault" polititicans.
As for Mertz and the police commission ~ we all know he was just doing as he was told. Then when he got sick and tired of the nonsense he started to fight back. As is clear to everyone ~ when he didn't do as he was told they cut him loose.
So GB ~ tell Surhada to stop crying like a little baby and take some responsiblity for his own loss. Face the reality that the Rotterdam Dems outworked, outsmarted and raised way more money than the GOP ~ no wonder they won.
As for who the NNTP really is? If you guys don't wake up and realize that McGarry is the future leader of the town ~ then get out of politics now. Anyone who questions how legit the NNTP is ~ just check the petitions for the NNTP ~ it's all independent!
Oh yea ~ one last thing ~ GB, Spidey, Greeny, Tom & Jerry: how many people helped on your last lit drop? GOP candidates put that number of non-candidate volunteers at less than 5 ~ piss poor if you ask me. But that must have been Mertz's fault too.
Democrats didn't win, they gained a plurality because the conservative base was schucked away from the GOP by Bill Sherman and his co-workers at RACC in an organized attempt to destroy a local party because he couldn't control it. He wanted campaign funds from a certain for-profit company which is seeking a contract with the town. He got those too. However, the local party is never anxious to let treacherous and sneaky people who work in Albany all day (i.e. the political class) take over its future part and parcel. In the future, I am not sure the NNTP people will want the RACC kingpins controlling them either. Regardless, the local GOP candidates did not prevail, and the Democrats won a plurality. However, one cannot have multiple masters.
I am sure those candidates will be out of the way in the future and the base will return to the GOP. Then the local Democrats will lose again. Maybe McGarry will win then as a Republican supervisor. Who knows. I would hate to call anyone an idiot or what not. However, you can go to the bank with what I printed above. even though the grass roots workers and voters were there spontaneously, the party didn't just "start" spontaneously like some fire in the wilderness. No one needs to educate me on grassroots OR party organizing, I submit I may know a thing or two and have some experience in it. Ultimately the local brand was damaged and the patriots went out and voted NNTP. I respect that, but again, you would be mistaken to think that it was some big democrat/police union victory landslide! It was rough wearing the local GOP party label with the party split. But it will be rougher to wear the Democrat label when the party unifies, and it will then be stronger and more conservative as well.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
Oh, and by the way- I am not crying like a little baby. I am simply trying to warn the folks in the movement that there are certain people in local state government who would like to control the local party and will use the conservative movement to get to their ends. As a private sector man all my life, I have great disdain for the political class of both parties and I predict that they will eventually come to extract some due. I would offer them a big handful of sh*t because that is what they are worth. I will make it my job to educate you to some inner workings, so pull up a chair and listen close, and throw another log on the fire...
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
I am sure those candidates will be out of the way in the future and the base will return to the GOP. Then the local Democrats will lose again. Maybe McGarry will win then as a Republican supervisor. Who knows.
McGarry is a registered con. There appears to be no reason that he should change his party affiliation to a rep. That would, in my opinion, just weaken the NNTP and McGarry's credibility. McGarry would be a great supervisor for sure. He connected with the people. They love him. But they connected with him and the rest of the NNTP candidates because he went door to door as an 'independent'. They all stressed that they were not beholden to any party or party bosses. They must 'all' remain that way.
However....the reps should endorse mcgarry next time around. He'd win hands down!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
And maybe they will. And I am sure he will hit back twice as hard no matter who tries to control him, whether it be the party here or the adherents of the mystical furher at RACC.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
You and your local party chairs continue to deny the real reason that the Republicans lost in Rotterdam. By doing so, you will seal the fate of your future and that of your party.
First, Suhrada violated President Reagan's 11th commandment. Knowing that he didn't have the support to win reelection to the County Legislature, he decided to conspire with Parisi and Buchanan to show a then popular Republican councilman (Mertz) to the door and steal the endorsement for Town Board in a race that he (Suhrada) expected the Republicans to win hands down. And, you say that he welcomes a challenge - HA!
The Republicans, out of touch with the views of the residents, decided that they were to create a new tax district. This was planned to be passed by "three men in a room" rather than allowing the voters their say through a referendum. And, your close friend Suhrada was on record as stating that he supported the new tax district.
The increase in property taxes was reportedly characteristic of Tommasone who annually proposed a preliminary budget that contained increases in spending and taxes, only to have the budget pared down by Board Members, namely Mertz.
As for the NNTP, they will not be folded into your lackluster and unprincipled gang. The movement will survive and grow. I heard that they have candidates expressing interest throughout the county and beyond. I look forward to their next fundraiser. I will definitely attend and donate.
As for your accusations about the involvement of the RACC, put up or shut up. You're as big a buffoon as the loud mouthed Suhrada. Besides, I thought that Suhrada and Sherman were running mates in a past election? Which one of them lost their way? I'll let the other posters comment on that as I know which one you will assert changed his political stripes.
McGarry and the NNTP is the future in Rotterdam and Schenectady county so long as they don't sell out to the Republicans or any other established party. Any sense that they are working with the Republicans will lose them support. Brad and Michael, are you listening? Don't sell out. What the NNTP candidates started will only grow. As others state in this thread, it's bigger than any (all) of you and it's bigger than Rotterdam.
Oh for crying out loud! Mertz would have gotten beat if Mr Suhrada didn't run. Mertz is, was, and will always be hated for his asisnine, self-serving ways. IMHO No base equal no votes. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Mertz get crushed, by Rotterdam primary standards, by Mr Signore and Mr Suhrada? Not to mention Paul Tonko and Diane Marco? He won a special and a general. Lost his last three races. Signore lost three of his last four. Numbers don't lie the REPS do. LOL
I think you "local" pols don't get it. The electorate had enough of the Tomassone Circus. Craig Surprise?? The Parisi Law Firm? Lynn Firillo and all them lines? Mr Della Villa and his ethical misgivings? Mike Greasemer and his flip flopping kiss a**, suck up mantra? John DeGeorgio and his baggage? Please...... the Tea Party in China is more pure than the hyperbole about why the Rotterdam REPS LOST! As always IMHO
Peeper ~ you make some good points ~ good argument for why the NNTP should stay away from the Reps.
Then again ~ some argue that the NNTP actually put the Dems in office ~ will be interesting to see which party the NNTP aligns with.
As for the Tomassone Circus ~ have you watched a DelGallo/Godlewski town board meeting yet? I hear they are extremely entertaining ~ or painful ~ depends on who you are I guess.
Oh yea ~ one last thing ~ GB, Spidey, Greeny, Tom & Jerry: how many people helped on your last lit drop? GOP candidates put that number of non-candidate volunteers at less than 5 ~ piss poor if you ask me. But that must have been Mertz's fault too.
The REPS lost everything because they came out in strong support of both Howdy Doody and the EMS Tax. Suhrada should have stayed where he was and run with Brad. Mertz was the only elected official against the tax. Suhrada who had great CONS county bona fides was on all sides of this issue.
These REP revisionists keep blaming Mertz and the NNTP for their own stupidity. It's too late now and they face more defeats in November while the DEMS lose nationwide.
Quoted from Felipe: Then again ~ some argue that the NNTP actually put the Dems in office ~ will be interesting to see which party the NNTP aligns with.
I can't speak for my NNTP running mates, but I have no intention of "aligning" with any established party. I will support the candidate who espouses traditional conservative values and who pledges to reform government to be more accountable to the people. His/her party enrollment doesn't have bearing to me. I will not support any candidate who suggests increases in taxation over cuts in government spending.
I will work to promote independent candidates who are conservative in their beliefs and encourage that they challenge the endorsed candidates of the established parties, particularly those long term incumbants who have been ineffective in promoting smaller, less costly and less intrusive government with limited power. These candidates may run on the NNTP ballot line or other independent or minor party lines.
I can't speak for my NNTP running mates, but I have no intention of "aligning" with any established party. I will support the candidate who espouses traditional conservative values and who pledges to reform government to be more accountable to the people. His/her party enrollment doesn't have bearing to me. I will not support any candidate who suggests increases in taxation over cuts in government spending.
I will work to promote independent candidates who are conservative in their beliefs and encourage that they challenge the endorsed candidates of the established parties, particularly those long term incumbants who have been ineffective in promoting smaller, less costly and less intrusive government with limited power. These candidates may run on the NNTP ballot line or other independent or minor party lines.
Aren't you already "aligned" with the Conservative party? You said you were a card carrying lifetime member, did you drop that affiliation?
Yes, I am an enrolled Conservative and plan to remain as such. However, I don't intend to align my efforts or support based on party. As others have stated, this is not about political party. We must work to elect the right candidates who share our values regardless of their enrollment and endorsement(s). It should have been this way all along. And, if the established parties don't offer candidates who we can support, we must seek out those who do and support an independent challenge IMHO
So, just so I can understand .. you ARE a conservative, but not aligned with the Conservative party, for whatever reason (candidates, principles, etc). So why remain a party member? Isn't that like "sleeping with the enemy"?
You ask a valid question. I registered to vote at the age of 18 and enrolled at that time as a Conservative party member. I have conservative views on fiscal issues and most social issues. Any consideration to leaving the party would not be based on the current local leadership at the time, but, rather, my assessment of whether or not the NYS Conservative Party in its actions and words represents my views. Presently, the state party leadership generally does.
Certainly, the number of "blanks" (i.e., unaffiliated with any political party) is increasing. I recall that I heard that the independents in Massachusetts represent greater than 40% of registered voters. I think that the percentage in Schenectady County may be about the same.
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He won a special and a general. Lost his last three races. Signore lost three of his last four. Numbers don't lie the REPS do. LOL 
The REPS lost everything because they came out in strong support of both Howdy Doody and the EMS Tax. Suhrada should have stayed where he was and run with Brad. Mertz was the only elected official against the tax. Suhrada who had great CONS county bona fides was on all sides of this issue. 
