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October 23, 2009, 9:24pm Report to Moderator
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And the point to this stroll through history is?
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It's called DESPERATION MT.  According to Stevie Ego the electorate in the Town has changed over the years and his rationale for why he LOST during those years was "old boy Network."  Blah Blah Blah.  His handlers dig up old bones and rub them together in hopes of setting off another firestorm.  It ain't gonna happen Steverino......you been outed for the DOPE you always were.  

You have a co-conspirator in the FBI sting on your staff Steve.  You have accepted campaign contibutions in the past from Timmy, Bob and (ahem) reatives of your running mate Joe Suhrada,) who happen to be business partners with Tim and Bob (namely John Ademec.)  Another pathetic attempt to "hijack" another election.  PATHETIC!  
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My point is, when you look at the history of Rotterdam and its business community, you can see for yourself the roll business owners and developers played, and their intentions in getting involved in town politics.  They're not always looking out for the interests of the Town. When the business owner that wanted to build a Super Walmart in the middle of town and a McClaine distribution center built a mile away from El Dorado Acres just 3 years ago, gives $3000 to the Delgallo campaign. It may give some pause, and question if there is any quid pro quo attached to the contribution.  Especially when that person already has a history of giving kickbacks to town supervisors, in return for town contracts, favorable rezoning, and keeping the RPD from ticketing his dump trucks that may have been hauling overweight.    

I know you would like to believe that I'm "Stererino".  The fact is, I'm not.  That's what scares you the most.  I'm a lifetime resident that witnessed the crooked politicians, and business owners, and RPD, and assessors office take advantage of their positions in the community to feather their own beds and that of friends and family, while giving a big FU to the rest of the residents.  

I'm not a supporter of the current Republican Party, after they refused to endorse Mertz. That's when they lost their backbone.   Mike O'Connor, John Mertz, Brian McGarry and Brad Littlefield and the No New Tax Party on Row 'F' is who I'm pulling the lever for on November 3rd.


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My point is, when you look at the history of Rotterdam and its business community, you can see for yourself the roll business owners and developers played, and their intentions in getting involved in town politics.  They're not always looking out for the interests of the Town. When the business owner that wanted to build a Super Walmart in the middle of town and a McClaine distribution center built a mile away from El Dorado Acres just 3 years ago, gives $3000 to the Delgallo campaign. It may give some pause, and question if there is any quid pro quo attached to the contribution.  Especially when that person already has a history of giving kickbacks to town supervisors, in return for town contracts, favorable rezoning, and keeping the RPD from ticketing his dump trucks that may have been hauling overweight.


Cicero,
Thanks for replaying the history…I’m sure it’s always been in the back of the minds of many residents but this really
brings the situation into clear focus.    These are not random acts by the Rotterdam businessmen and developers…it is a display of well-orchestrated and planned strategies to make money at the expense of the Rotterdam taxpayer while destroying the residential homeowner's quality of life.   Sadly, the current administration as well as past administrations have allowed this to happen…all in the name of progress or is it now labeled “smart development”?  
The voters have the ability to start a new path for Rotterdam by voting Row F on Election Day.  These candidates are not beholden to any political party or businessmen…only the people!  

Vote Row F - Brian McGarry, Mike O'Connor, John Mertz, Brad Littlefield
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My point is, when you look at the history of Rotterdam and its business community, you can see for yourself the roll business owners and developers played, and their intentions in getting involved in town politics.  They're not always looking out for the interests of the Town. When the business owner that wanted to build a Super Walmart in the middle of town and a McClaine distribution center built a mile away from El Dorado Acres just 3 years ago, gives $3000 to the Delgallo campaign. It may give some pause, and question if there is any quid pro quo attached to the contribution.  Especially when that person already has a history of giving kickbacks to town supervisors, in return for town contracts, favorable rezoning, and keeping the RPD from ticketing his dump trucks that may have been hauling overweight.    

I know you would like to believe that I'm "Stererino".  The fact is, I'm not.  That's what scares you the most.  I'm a lifetime resident that witnessed the crooked politicians, and business owners, and RPD, and assessors office take advantage of their positions in the community to feather their own beds and that of friends and family, while giving a big FU to the rest of the residents.  

I'm not a supporter of the current Republican Party, after they refused to endorse Mertz. That's when they lost their backbone.   Mike O'Connor, John Mertz, Brian McGarry and Brad Littlefield and the No New Tax Party on Row 'F' is who I'm pulling the lever for on November 3rd.


Maybe I'm missing something but wasn't Tommasone and his republican board that voted in favor of the  McClaine project and gave them the green light?
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Yes, you're right, Princetown stopped it.  BOTH parties are guilty.  That's why clubhouse and myself and many other residents are voting Row 'F'.  


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Yes, you're right, Princetown stopped it.  BOTH parties are guilty.  That's why clubhouse and myself and many other residents are voting Row 'F'.  


ok, I guess I'm just confused on why the point is being made that Larnerd and company is donating to another candidate when the present supervisor, Tommasone, voted to support Larnerd's proposal... Would
McGarry or DelGallo have voted no on this project? And don't these company's usually donate to political
campaign's?

I'm just not finding this reasoning as a good example of why to vote for one candidate over another...
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ok, I guess I'm just confused on why the point is being made that Larnerd and company is donating to another candidate when the present supervisor, Tommasone, voted to support Larnerd's proposal... Would
McGarry or DelGallo have voted no on this project? And don't these company's usually donate to political
campaign's?

I'm just not finding this reasoning as a good example of why to vote for one candidate over another...



It's up to the residents to make up their mind on that.  I'm a believer in follow the money.  When I see one person contribute $3000 to a candidate(Delgallo in this case) that has virtually no public position on ANYTHING, it makes this resident wonder the motives.  Again, I look at the whole picture of Rotterdam politics and the track record of influential members of the community, past and present.  This is just one persons opinion.

I look at 2005, when a landowner wanted to sell his piece of property to Walmart that the residents opposed, and this landowner filed a lawsuit against the Town of Rotterdam.  Do you think that this landowner is not going to try to sell this property to Walmart or another box store if there is a Town Board who's campaign was funded by these landowners?  For me, the logical answerer is YES.  But that is just my opinion based on recent history.

To say how McGarrry or DelGallo would have voted on the McClaine project, you could never know for certain.  But...If I were to make an educated guess based on the information I have, I would say DelGallo would work on behalf of the handful of developers that collectively contributed $42K to get their man elected.  McGarry on the other hand doesn't bring that type of baggage if he's elected.  McGarry is the populous candidate, outside the small concentrated power structure of Rotterdam.IMHO


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Your reasoning / rationale makes sense Cicero - thanks.
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This IS what is in the back of many seasoned resident's minds in this election. They do remember. And many do not want to repeat a bad part of rotterdam's history.

Some people who know, wonder why the last time fdg voted was the last time constantino ran for supervisor's office and lost?


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CHA-CHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I would say DelGallo would work on behalf of the handful of developers that collectively contributed $42K to get their man elected.  McGarry on the other hand doesn't bring that type of baggage if he's elected.


http://www.elections.state.ny......p_transaction_code=A

The reports don't show that so to say that developers gave him 42k is disingenuous at best plus the fact
of him being in the construction business makes it simple to realize that of course builders will contribute to his campaign... Plus the fact that he had one of the largest turnouts of a campaign by town residents says otherwise also. Did the builders/developers bus in the individuals in attendance that evening. For someone to draw 600 people to a fundraiser tells me that there is a large percentage of residents who are not satisfied by their present "leadership" at town hall, but that's just me.

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http://www.elections.state.ny......p_transaction_code=A

The reports don't show that so to say that developers gave him 42k is disingenuous at best plus the fact
of him being in the construction business makes it simple to realize that of course builders will contribute to his campaign... Plus the fact that he had one of the largest turnouts of a campaign by town residents says otherwise also. Did the builders/developers bus in the individuals in attendance that evening. For someone to draw 600 people to a fundraiser tells me that there is a large percentage of residents who are not satisfied by their present "leadership" at town hall, but that's just me.



That's the whole point......not satisfied with 'the status quo' of the past 30 or so years of EITHER party elected....

AGAIN-----it has nothing to do with political parties.....so when the parties are 'compromised' by gumba gangstas
time to build a new one......

you can either live with the past or move forward with clear view.......and this isn't just Rotterdam.......this must
shake down the county and the state and the feds........


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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http://www.elections.state.ny......p_transaction_code=A

The reports don't show that so to say that developers gave him 42k is disingenuous at best plus the fact
of him being in the construction business makes it simple to realize that of course builders will contribute to his campaign... Plus the fact that he had one of the largest turnouts of a campaign by town residents says otherwise also. Did the builders/developers bus in the individuals in attendance that evening. For someone to draw 600 people to a fundraiser tells me that there is a large percentage of residents who are not satisfied by their present "leadership" at town hall, but that's just me.




You keep missing the mark.  You're making this Democrat vs. Republican.  This year there is a new option.  The NNTP

You're correct that many are dissatisfied with the current administration.  But you also have to remember that are many people who are not willing to take the chance of handing the town back over to the developers to do as they wish like past Democrat administrations.  

There are hundreds of residents that organized around the Save Rotterdam movement 3 years ago.  I know you are hoping that their memories of the Wal-Mart days have faded.  I don't think so. I think the huge contributions by certain individuals listed on the board of elections list of contributor’s scares the hell out of people.  If you don't think so, you're not talking to the people I'm talking to.  

We both agree that there needs to be new leadership at Town Hall.  We just diagree on WHO that leader should be.




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You keep missing the mark.  You're making this Democrat vs. Republican.  This year there is a new option.  The NNTP You're correct that many are dissatisfied with the current administration.  But you also have to remember that are many people who are not willing to take the chance of handing the town back over to the developers to do as they wish like past Democrat administrations.  

There are hundreds of residents that organized around the Save Rotterdam movement 3 years ago.  I know you are hoping that their memories of the Wal-Mart days have faded.  I don't think so. I think the huge contributions by certain individuals listed on the board of elections list of contributor’s scares the hell out of people.  If you don't think so, you're not talking to the people I'm talking to.  

We both agree that there needs to be new leadership at Town Hall.  We just diagree on WHO that leader should be.


I'm not hell bent on pushing Del Gallo for supervisor, I'm just not satisfied with the present leadership and I really don't think McGarry has any chance of winning this election with the 6th line in the ballot. But I do believe that DelGallo is a good person who will listen to the residents and he has good business sense. And lastly, he has a very good chance of winning. I don't want my vote to go to waste, in this election, which is what I think a vote for McGarry is.
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