Warren is less concerned with saving souls, and more concerned with his political influence with such issues as "global warming. When is that mentioned in the Bible?? That must be the 7 days and 7 nights of rain that's mentioned. Liberals like yourself who always scream "separation of Church and State", are more than glad to praise and harness pastor Warren when he champions your ideology. Warren is another pawn in the move toward globalization.
Pastor Warren doesn't attempt to hide his ambitions, and his ambitions have less to do with helping people find Jesus and more to do with his role in the fight against the pseudo science problem of "global warming".
The devil comes in many forms...........Practice discernment.
RHETORIC ? Holy smokes dude you really cant comment on anything without infecting it with some POLITICAL rhetoric- ITS EVERY WHERE-
Global warming ?- ( how did you slip that in here ? ) please- the last thing I heard Warren talk about was the 10,000 empty shopping bags he handed out last week that the parishoners brought back full this week for the hungry in OC- that would be Orange County
His congregation gives away 90 % of its income ( a well known statistic ) yes that 90 per cent in english- Now isnt that a cheezy political move- ?
Warren is less concerned with saving souls, and more concerned with his political influence with such issues as "global warming. When is that mentioned in the Bible?? That must be the 7 days and 7 nights of rain that's mentioned. Liberals like yourself who always scream "separation of Church and State", are more than glad to praise and harness pastor Warren when he champions your ideology. Warren is another pawn in the move toward globalization.
Pastor Warren doesn't attempt to hide his ambitions, and his ambitions have less to do with helping people find Jesus and more to do with his role in the fight against the pseudo science problem of "global warming".
The devil comes in many forms...........Practice discernment.
RHETORIC ? Holy smokes dude you really cant comment on anything without infecting it with some POLITICAL rhetoric- ITS EVERY WHERE-
Global warming ?- ( how did you slip that in here ? ) please- the last thing I heard Warren talk about was the 10,000 empty shopping bags he handed out last week that the parishoners brought back full this week for the hungry in OC- that would be Orange County
His congregation gives away 90 % of its income ( a well known statistic ) yes that 90 per cent in english- Now isnt that cheezy political move ?-
Ok, lets get back on topic. Why is "Evangelical" leader Warrens statements on Larry King about Obama's handling of the Muslim World considered to be the authority? He isn't. He is used more as a political figure more than religious leader.
What was Warrens position on Obama's controversial lifting of the ban on embryonic stem cell research?? You watched the Larry King interview with Warren, I'm sure King asked Warren his thoughts on that decision.
Ok, lets get back on topic. Why is "Evangelical" leader Warrens statements on Larry King about Obama's handling of the Muslim World considered to be the authority? He isn't. He is used more as a political figure more than religious leader.
What was Warrens position on Obama's controversial lifting of the ban on embryonic stem cell research?? You watched the Larry King interview with Warren, I'm sure King asked Warren his thoughts on that decision.
I googled it, I can't find his position anywhere.
OK- FIRST TOPIC -Title of the thread " Reply to 'Pres.Obama Tries To "Make Nice" With Muslim World' "
Warrens answere to Larry Kings question about what he thought of Obamas statment- was ONE SENTANCE LONG - might be relevant to the Beatitudes Mathiew 5-9 "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called sons of God"-
Thats about as on topic as I can get- and I missed the first 20 min of the interview which may contain his thoughts on stem cells- Warren also made it unequivically clear he is not an advisor to the President- he is a pastor - dealing in personal and spiritual relationships with our family and fellow man -
Warren also made it unequivically clear he is not an advisor to the President- he is a pastor - dealing in personal and spiritual relationships with our family and fellow man -
Unequivically clear? You just interjected him(Rev. Warren) on a forum, more specifically this thread, that talks about President Obama's handling of U.S. foreign policy. Warren was the moderator of a presidential debate where he refused to ask the candidates "Sin" related questions. He may not be a presidential advisor, but he definately isn't leaving unto Ceasars what is Ceasars. The guy is a political activist. Nobody's denying that he does great things through his chuch, but to say the man isn't attempting to steer public policy is naive.
You used Warrens public position about Obama's handling of the Muslim World in an attempt to justify his actions on a forum where most members disagree with Obama's actions. Does Warren actually believe that his words weren't going to be used for that very reason? C'mon, this is calculated. Again, where is Warrens PUBLIC statement about Obama's lift of the embryonic stem cell ban?
Unequivically clear? You just interjected him(Rev. Warren) on a forum, more specifically this thread, that talks about President Obama's handling of U.S. foreign policy. Warren was the moderator of a presidential debate where he refused to ask the candidates "Sin" related questions. He may not be a presidential advisor, but he definately isn't leaving unto Ceasars what is Ceasars. The guy is a political activist. Nobody's denying that he does great things through his chuch, but to say the man isn't attempting to steer public policy is naive.
You used Warrens public position about Obama's handling of the Muslim World in an attempt to justify his actions on a forum where most members disagree with Obama's actions. Does Warren actually believe that his words weren't going to be used for that very reason? C'mon, this is calculated. Again, where is Warrens PUBLIC statement about Obama's lift of the embryonic stem cell ban?
I guess Billy Graham should have kept his mouth shut too- I mean he never denied being an advisor to a half dosen presidents- Dude you have a short memory.
Pastor Warrens words do carry weight- ask anyone who read " Purpose driven Life ". Someones words can actually change a persons life -that alone must make you nervous
And why dont YOU do some research and get back to us on Warrens position on stem cell research ? - maybe in another thread-
And maybe get a letter off to Billy Graham and tell him he should have kept his mouth shut-
I guess Billy Graham should have kept his mouth shut too- I mean he never denied being an advisor to a half dosen presidents- Dude you have a short memory.
Pastor Warrens words do carry weight- ask anyone who read " Purpose driven Life ". Someones words can actually change a persons life -that alone must make you nervous
And why dont YOU do some research and get back to us on Warrens position on stem cell research ? - maybe in another thread-
And maybe get a letter off to Billy Graham and tell him he should have kept his mouth shut-
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The Republicans use an ultra conservative mega church leader like Fawell, and Democrats use a liberal mega church leader like Warren.
I don't ever remember saying anything about Billy Graham. As a matter of fact, I did use Falwell as an example of a religious stooge. If my memory serves me right, I believe that Graham decided not to take political positions from the Reagan administation on, and that he regreted taking public positions on policy in the past.
I never said Warren had "to keep his mouth shut". I am just stating that he is being used politically. Knowingly or unknowingly. Warren has taken up many causes, global warming, HIV/AIDS, poverty. All noble cause(except for the globle warming fraud), and Warren openly admits to addressing those issue through joint public private means.
Rick Warren disavows support for Prop. 8 Jim Brown - OneNewsNow - 4/8/2009 7:00:00 AM California mega-church pastor and author of The Purpose Driven Life Rick Warren says he apologized to his homosexual friends for making comments in support of California's Proposition 8, and now claims he "never once even gave an endorsement" of the marriage amendment.
Monday night on CNN's Larry King Live, Pastor Rick Warren apologized for his support of Prop. 8, California's voter-approved marriage protection amendment, saying he has "never been and never will be" an "anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist."
"During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never -- never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop. 8 was going," Warren told the CNN audience on Monday. "The week before the -- the vote, somebody in my church said, 'Pastor Rick, what -- what do you think about this?' And I sent a note to my own members that said, I actually believe that marriage is -- really should be defined, that that definition should be -- say between a man and a woman."
However, just two weeks before the November 4 Prop. 8 vote, Pastor Warren issued a clear endorsement of the marriage amendment while speaking to church members. "We support Proposition 8 -- and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8," he said.
The following is a complete transcript of Warren's comments just weeks before the Prop. 8 election: "The election's coming just in a couple of weeks, and I hope you're praying about your vote. One of the propositions, of course, that I want to mention is Proposition 8, which is the proposition that had to be instituted because the courts threw out the will of the people. And a court of four guys actually voted to change a definition of marriage that has been going for 5,000 years.
"Now let me say this really clearly: we support Proposition 8 -- and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8. I never support a candidate, but on moral issues I come out very clear.
"This is one thing, friends, that all politicians tend to agree on. Both Barack Obama and John McCain, I flat-out asked both of them: what is your definition of marriage? And they both said the same thing -- it is the traditional, historic, universal definition of marriage: one man and one woman, for life. And every culture for 5,000 years, and every religion for 5,000 years, has said the definition of marriage is between one man and a woman.
"Now here's an interesting thing. There are about two percent of Americans [who] are homosexual or gay/lesbian people. We should not let two percent of the population determine to change a definition of marriage that has been supported by every single culture and every single religion for 5,000 years.
"This is not even just a Christian issue -- it's a humanitarian and human issue that God created marriage for the purpose of family, love, and procreation.
"So I urge you to support Proposition 8, and pass that word on. I'm going to be sending out a note to pastors on what I believe about this. But everybody knows what I believe about it. They heard me at the Civil Forum when I asked both Obama and McCain on their views." During his CNN interview on Monday, Warren expressed regret for backing Prop. 8. "There were a number of things that were put out. I wrote to all my gay friends -- the leaders that I knew -- and actually apologized to them. That never got out," he admitted.
Additionally, Pastor Warren said he did not want to comment on or criticize the Iowa Supreme Court's decision last week to legalize same-sex "marriage" because it was "not his agenda."
Bryan Fischer with the Idaho Values Alliance says Warren is abdicating his biblical role as a pastor. "For Pastor Warren to say that shoring up marriage is not something that's on his agenda is just something that's hard to believe for somebody who believes the Bible is our rule for faith and practice," Fischer notes.
Dr. Jim Garlow, the senior pastor of Skyline Wesleyan Church in the San Diego suburb of La Mesa, helped spearhead the Prop. 8 effort in California. Garlow admits he is confused and troubled by Pastor Warren's decision to apologize for supporting Prop. 8.
"Historically when institutions and individuals back away from convictional biblical truth, it is driven primarily by one single factor -- and that is the respectability of other people. In other words, much more caring about what other people think about them than what God thinks about them," he concludes.
Pastor Warren did not respond to a request from OneNewsNow for an interview.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Rick Warren disavows support for Prop. 8 Jim Brown - OneNewsNow - 4/8/2009 7:00:00 AM California mega-church pastor and author of The Purpose Driven Life Rick Warren says he apologized to his homosexual friends for making comments in support of California's Proposition 8, and now claims he "never once even gave an endorsement" of the marriage amendment.
Monday night on CNN's Larry King Live, Pastor Rick Warren apologized for his support of Prop. 8, California's voter-approved marriage protection amendment, saying he has "never been and never will be" an "anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist."
"During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never -- never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop. 8 was going," Warren told the CNN audience on Monday. "The week before the -- the vote, somebody in my church said, 'Pastor Rick, what -- what do you think about this?' And I sent a note to my own members that said, I actually believe that marriage is -- really should be defined, that that definition should be -- say between a man and a woman."
However, just two weeks before the November 4 Prop. 8 vote, Pastor Warren issued a clear endorsement of the marriage amendment while speaking to church members. "We support Proposition 8 -- and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8," he said.
The following is a complete transcript of Warren's comments just weeks before the Prop. 8 election: "The election's coming just in a couple of weeks, and I hope you're praying about your vote. One of the propositions, of course, that I want to mention is Proposition 8, which is the proposition that had to be instituted because the courts threw out the will of the people. And a court of four guys actually voted to change a definition of marriage that has been going for 5,000 years.
"Now let me say this really clearly: we support Proposition 8 -- and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8. I never support a candidate, but on moral issues I come out very clear.
"This is one thing, friends, that all politicians tend to agree on. Both Barack Obama and John McCain, I flat-out asked both of them: what is your definition of marriage? And they both said the same thing -- it is the traditional, historic, universal definition of marriage: one man and one woman, for life. And every culture for 5,000 years, and every religion for 5,000 years, has said the definition of marriage is between one man and a woman.
"Now here's an interesting thing. There are about two percent of Americans [who] are homosexual or gay/lesbian people. We should not let two percent of the population determine to change a definition of marriage that has been supported by every single culture and every single religion for 5,000 years.
"This is not even just a Christian issue -- it's a humanitarian and human issue that God created marriage for the purpose of family, love, and procreation.
"So I urge you to support Proposition 8, and pass that word on. I'm going to be sending out a note to pastors on what I believe about this. But everybody knows what I believe about it. They heard me at the Civil Forum when I asked both Obama and McCain on their views." During his CNN interview on Monday, Warren expressed regret for backing Prop. 8. "There were a number of things that were put out. I wrote to all my gay friends -- the leaders that I knew -- and actually apologized to them. That never got out," he admitted.
Additionally, Pastor Warren said he did not want to comment on or criticize the Iowa Supreme Court's decision last week to legalize same-sex "marriage" because it was "not his agenda."
Bryan Fischer with the Idaho Values Alliance says Warren is abdicating his biblical role as a pastor. "For Pastor Warren to say that shoring up marriage is not something that's on his agenda is just something that's hard to believe for somebody who believes the Bible is our rule for faith and practice," Fischer notes.
Dr. Jim Garlow, the senior pastor of Skyline Wesleyan Church in the San Diego suburb of La Mesa, helped spearhead the Prop. 8 effort in California. Garlow admits he is confused and troubled by Pastor Warren's decision to apologize for supporting Prop. 8.
"Historically when institutions and individuals back away from convictional biblical truth, it is driven primarily by one single factor -- and that is the respectability of other people. In other words, much more caring about what other people think about them than what God thinks about them," he concludes.
Pastor Warren did not respond to a request from OneNewsNow for an interview.
I say this is not true- He never said any shuch thing - IN PERSON ot on Larry King -
Posting this stuff is baloney- and again you hillbillys up north here really dont get any information first hand- do you ? You copy and paste crap all freaking day long- Its happens my sister and hunsband attend Saddleback Church every sunday- have never heard him say any such thing-
"During his CNN interview on Monday, Warren expressed regret for backing Prop. 8." He NEVER SAID THIS- Bumble- you are a poser- it is easy to find the transcript/tape or whatever - your turning the forum into a joke- comprende dude ? You must really be desperate people- your shivering under the covers- while your sucking your thumb-
Cicero - I heard what he said- and I also notice something cut out at 53 seconds-( in the second video- Try and post the whole thing. ( I dont mean the whole interview- but which wouldnt hurt ) And you and your buddies want to scour the internet just to find propaganda ? What a waste of time
Its funny - the topic of this thread of this tread is about Obama trying to make peace with Islam-
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