Yea...the new 'time out' theory is really working with the kids today. And how 'bout taking the iPod away for a week? And let's not forget no MTV and no computer. Yup...they can't see through those either, huh?
Oh heck, just give them a book by pastor warren. Perhaps that'll set them on the right track.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Yea...the new 'time out' theory is really working with the kids today. And how 'bout taking the iPod away for a week? And let's not forget no MTV and no computer. Yup...they can't see through those either, huh?
Oh heck, just give them a book by pastor warren. Perhaps that'll set them on the right track.
Wow- now there is a response I would have expected from a 3rd grader. An adult ( parent ) need to consider options for dicipline- which seem to be stumping you. Your only choices seem to be to beat or not to beat-
How about just don't take out your frustrations while spanking. Ask yourself if the spanking is truly warranted because of the child's behavior, or whether it's an excuse for you to have an adult temper tantrum? Are you more prone to spank when you are in a bad mood?
How about you mind your own business and give parents the "right to privacy" that you give give women who want to abort their babies? Apply your same leftist standard to parents in this situation as you do when they decide to have late term abortions. Personally I think they should also stop taking their costs of their personal circumstances out against their unborn children. Ask yourself if abortion is just a chance to play God with the lives they are responsible for? Are you more prone to abort when you don't feel any shame?
Really, where is there difference, except that maybe in this case the child doesn't end up in a trash bin but has a bruise on his butt instead for acting like the "gangsta" that you leftists have created to be the ultimate role model since the Clinton era?
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
Dr Phil? Who cares what that phony says about anything? Anybody that uses that moron for source material deserves screwed up kids.
SB doesn't read too well. No one has advised spanking as a first response. But its a good last response. Do you support this idiotic prosecution as well? Great choice for scarce DA resources in this crime ridden County. There was a great cartoon of a father swatting his kids behind with a thick book labled "Child Psychology". It should be recycled. Unfortunately neither parents nor cartoonists are as they used to be.
How about you mind your own business and give parents the "right to privacy" that you give give women who want to abort their babies? Apply your same leftist standard to parents in this situation as you do when they decide to have late term abortions. Personally I think they should also stop taking their costs of their personal circumstances out against their unborn children. Ask yourself if abortion is just a chance to play God with the lives they are responsible for? Are you more prone to abort when you don't feel any shame?
Really, where is there difference, except that maybe in this case the child doesn't end up in a trash bin but has a bruise on his butt instead for acting like the "gangsta" that you leftists have created to be the ultimate role model since the Clinton era?
Hey why dont we have the moderater just deleate this whole thread ? What business is it of yours either ?
And JoAnn- you objected to me bringing domestic abuse into the topic- well your quiet as a mouse now- No problem with " leftist this- Clinton that- and a lot liberal baloney thrown in for good measure Rotterdamn forum- is just politically poluted- contaminating every thought and response-
GB- I guess its impossible for you to respond to anything without a political spin- whats up- Are moral and ethical issues that hard for you to adress specifically-
I think most people serving time in prison were beat pretty good -probably started as a child Go talk toe the guy that did the horrific stuff to the poor little girl Xtacy- Ill bet his had beat the crap out of him.
And Mr Salami- it was your buddy Shadow that brought Dr Phil in the discussion-
Re March 26 article, “Dad charged for ‘whupping’ his son”: Hooray for Mr. Lloyd Ray Fisher! Perhaps the “whupping” will rehabilitate this young teen (hooligan) into a useful, productive individual, acceptable to society. His present behavior is deplorable. A misdemeanor and an eight-month jail sentence for Mr. Fisher? What lunacy! Bless you, Mr. Fisher, for doing the right thing this time. Maybe your son will get the message that his actions are a violation of both moral and social codes and deserving of punishment — either from you as a parent or our penal system. Let’s pray that it is from the former.
If for some reason parents ar unable to be consistant with whatever kind of diisipline that have chosen to use- one day the parent " cracks " and gets out the belt and puts it to raw flesh ( and it USED to be OK to do this) then the parent will get arrested.
Like the expression " rule of thumb " - it used to limit the thickness of the stick you could use to hit your wife- hey things change
I DID address the moral and ethical issues and explained that occasional corporal punishment when applied under the correct circumstances is fine. If my son did what this kid did, and was a hulking teenage brute, angling to get himself thrown into prison, I imagine the belt would have been the least of his worries, but I also imagine it never would have gotten to that point seeing as I don't personally tolerate the social norm that liberal and 'diverse' society has foisted on our children- the 'gangsta' role model. I don't want my children emulating third world savagery and I don't want them pretending that life is a giant party where you can just do what you want and let it all hang out (thank you sixties liberals.) We have evolved only to devolve, thanks your mindless liberalism, to the point where children act like maniacal animals doing whatever they want when they wish, while their friends (formerly parents) allow and defend every indiscretion or transgression without the rebuke of being disciplined or even ostracized.
You have set social and government policy to the extent the family is utterly destroyed and you even have the nerve to comment on any of it, suggesting then we employ MORE LIBERALISM. Like the grim reaper, you liberals want to make sure the last nail is in the coffin of all societal disorder, don't you, all the while increasing your quantity of state control over every aspect of our lives including parenting. So get out of my household and keep your goons away from my private property and family.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
Somebody...we are not talking about 'the extreme' cases which are clearly WRONG! We are talking about 'discipline'. Not taking frustrations out on a child with a belt. DISCIPLINE!
It is the usual liberal spin...ya know, 5 people don't have enough money for food, so lets create a huge welfare system. One kid behaves badly, and they 'suspect' it's from those awful violent video games. So lets spend millions and create a law where compamies have to rate them. Some people are utterly nuts and shoot people with a gun....so lets take ALL guns away, even from the sane.
A handful of people, the minority, wants prayer, even silent pray, out of school. Bingo!..the government steps in and the minority won. A minority of folks want 'one nation under God' taking out of the pledge...and that the government is still contemplating.
It is liberal nonsense at it's best. The government knows best! Ya right...look around!
Be careful what you wish for.....
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
We who are in the baby boom generation and older, we all got spankings, we got the belt. The teachers whacked us with the ruler. Wow that was so terrible, wasn't it? ROFL
Back when discipline was tough and strict, there were no fights in schools like there are today. Schools did not have police walking the halls all day. There were no Columbines back then. Students didn't beat up each other nor beat the teachers....remember the student(s) who beat a teacher in Albany high school, or was it a middle school, last year I think. OK, the student could beat the teacher, but the teacher mustn't even slap the student on the hand with his/her own hand, oh for shame.
Sure there will be isolated incidents, but no where near the violence in schools today, violence by students who were not spanked by hand or belt.
Our generation who were disciplined with, uh, "violence" via spanking or the belt, the overwhelming majority of us grew up to be law abiding citizens, maintaining our homes, doing charitable work. We were told spanking was wrong, so we sat junior in the corner for "time out." And junior has grown up knowing mom and dad can't discipline him other than telling him to sit in the corner. So junior has learned he/she can get his/her way with no harsh consequences, just "sit in the corner junior" is the worst. And junior has grown up to taunt classmates and neighbors, do vandalism around the neighborhood, beat up and bully other kids, bring guns to school, shoot up the schools, and be as violent as ever. That is what lack of spanking and lack of the belt has resulted in. Today's children mostly have not been disciplined by spanking and they are incredibly violent. Our generation and before who has gotten spanked and the belt have for the most part grown up to be law abiding, kind, gentle citizens with hardly a violent streak.
Think about this, answer this question. What is the BEST way for junior to learn not to go near the flowers with the bee sitting on it? How will junior learn best? By mommy and daddy verbally saying "no junior, don't go near the flower with the bee on it" Or will junior learn best by going near the flower and getting stung by the bee, feeling the pain from getting stung, the ouch, the crying, "WAAAA, MOMMY, IT HURTS, WAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" When junior gets stung and it hurts, he/she will learn NEVER to go near a flower with a bee on it again. Junior will learn more by the spanking he receives from the bee than by mom and dad verbally telling him to stay away from the bee.
Spare the rod and spoil the child is the ultimate truth
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Thanks to all of you that have shared their AUTOBIOGRAPHY - which includes getting hit with different types of utensils and belts and such- great for you-
Maybe those beatings made up grow up tough and surly-
Maybe back in " your day " it was OK for your dad to smack your mom around a little bit too- ?
yeah, and uh, it's interesting that its' todays young adults, who grew up in an era where spankings were not allowed, these are the adults beating the wives. Kids who grew up without spankings are the ones beating their spouses.
My parents never so much as raised their voice with each other.
Take a look at that Chris Brown is it, I think his name is, what, he's only 20 years old, beating up his girlfriend, or wife, whatever she is. But he grew up in the generation where spankings were illegal. Hmmmm
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Sure its starting to make sense now- I think the more educated and affluent parents are less in favor of using physical punishment because they tended ''to be more well-read'' about alternative ways to discipline children.
In addition there seem to be some additional side effects of spanking :
According to the American Psychological Association (APA), children who are spanked, slapped, hit or threw objects at have a greater chance of "verbally and physically coercing a sexual partner to have sex, having premarital sex without condom, and engaging in masochistic sex."
The ultra affluent Paris Hilton must have been beaten regularly as a child. How else would you explain her behavior?
Paris Hilton is obviosly very well-read. She is the poster child for liberal child rearing. I could only be so lucky to have my daughter grow up to be as well mannered as Ms. Hilton.
''It's an epidemic in America that people readily accept that hitting children is an appropriate way of changing their behavior,'' said Dr. Hyman, director of Temple's National Center for the Study of Corporal Punishment and Alternatives in the Schools.
''We have 40 years of research showing that rewards and building self-esteem are much more effective means of changing a child's behavior.''
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Dr Phil? Who cares what that phony says about anything? Anybody that uses that moron for source material deserves screwed up kids.
