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I was listening to the Michael Savage on WGY tonight while bringing my mom home. He keeps playing the voice bits from this YouTube video MT posted.
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I barely passed Econ 101 but  the Wall St bailout is the largest redistribution of wealth Ill ever see- which by the way reads :

Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, Section 2, Purposes: Provides authority to the Treasury Secretary to restore liquidity and stability to the US financial system and to ensure the economic well-being of Americans.

Does that sound like socialism to anyone else but me?

THE STATED PURPOSE IS TO GIVE THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY THE AUTHORITY TO ENSURE THE ECONOMIC WELL-BEING OF AMERICANS! Sounds like income re-distribution and an attempt to change our culture (isn't that what BO said he wanted to do?).


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In 1933 when FDR took office, he was confronted with a daunting situation: 95% of the nation’s wealth was in the hands of two hundred individuals.  His immediate task was to change that, and he set about doing so.

Today it’s not all that different.  Today 95% of America’s wealth is in the hands of the upper 5% of the wealthy.  What’s funny here is that those people who are screaming about Barack Obama being ‘socialist’ are members of the group who have been victimized by this migration of wealth to the top.  It’s called, “Party loyalty.”  It doesn’t matter how badly you’ve been, or are being, screwed so long as your guys win, even though they’ll screw you even more.  You’re a part of the ‘winning’ team.  Now no one here is in that top 5% - no one.  That top 5% wants you, me, and everyone here to sink lower as long as their pockets getting filled are a part of the process, and they’re selling their ideas very very well.

If you’re for making the top bunch even wealthier, then believe this video.  It’s money out of your pocket, but hell – you’ll be on the ‘winning’ side no matter what it costs you.  From Alan Greenspan on down, every savvy economist is saying that capitalism has been compromised, and that immediate and drastic remedy is in order.  So tonight, ask yourself one small question: am I in that top 5% or not?  If your net worth doesn’t include eight zeroes to the left of the decimal point, you probably aren’t – simple as that.  If that video is what you stand for, then yours will be the ultimate Pyrrhic Victory.
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So Ock, I see that you are in favor of 'redistribution of wealth', huh? Capitalism has been compromised so let's just flush it down the crapper, take the money from those rich bastards and spread the wealth to all of us working, slaving, victims of corrupt capitalism. Ya, that's it...we'll show 'em!

Sure, that's what I really want to do...give up my capitalist life for a socialist life and all because of those bastardly 5%! And then there will be no more wealthy people...right? Promise?




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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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A Pyrrhic victory (IPA: /ˈpɪrɪk/) is a victory with devastating cost to the victor.

The phrase is named after King Pyrrhus of Epirus, whose army suffered irreplaceable casualties in defeating the Romans at Heraclea in 280 BC and Asculum in 279 BC during the Pyrrhic War. After the latter battle, Plutarch relates in a report by Dionysius:

The armies separated; and, it is said, Pyrrhus replied to one that gave him joy of his victory that one more such victory would utterly undo him. For he had lost a great part of the forces he brought with him, and almost all his particular friends and principal commanders; there were no others there to make recruits, and he found the confederates in Italy backward. On the other hand, as from a fountain continually flowing out of the city, the Roman camp was quickly and plentifully filled up with fresh men, not at all abating in courage for the loss they sustained, but even from their very anger gaining new force and resolution to go on with the war.[1]

In both of Pyrrhus's victories, the Romans lost more men than Pyrrhus did. However, the Romans had a much larger supply of men from which to draw soldiers, so their losses did less damage to their war effort than Pyrrhus's losses did to his.

The report is often quoted as "Another such victory over the Romans and we are undone,"[citation needed] or "If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined."[2]

While it is most closely associated with a military battle, the term is used by analogy in fields such as business, politics, law, literature, and sport to describe any similar struggle which is ruinous for the victor. For example, the theologian, Reinhold Niebuhr writing of the need for coercion in the cause of justice warned that: "Moral reason must learn how to make a coercion its ally without running the risk of a Pyrrhic victory in which the ally exploits and negates the triumph" [3]


It could almost be called a crucifixion?????  


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I barely passed Econ 101 but  the Wall St bailout is the largest redistribution of wealth Ill ever see- which by the way reads :

Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, Section 2, Purposes: Provides authority to the Treasury Secretary to restore liquidity and stability to the US financial system and to ensure the economic well-being of Americans.

Does that sound like socialism to anyone else but me?

THE STATED PURPOSE IS TO GIVE THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY THE AUTHORITY TO ENSURE THE ECONOMIC WELL-BEING OF AMERICANS! Sounds like income re-distribution and an attempt to change our culture (isn't that what BO said he wanted to do?).


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The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (Pub.L. 110-343, Div. A, enacted October 3, 200, commonly referred to as a bailout of the U.S. financial system, is a law authorizing the United States Secretary of the Treasury to spend up to US$700 billion to purchase distressed assets, especially mortgage-backed securities, from the nation's banks. 700 billion dollars is enough money to cover a football field in 4.85 feet of one hundred dollar bills, having a weight of 7,709 tons. The Act was proposed by U.S. President George W. Bush and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson during the global financial crisis of September–October 2008..

The original proposal was three pages, as submitted to the United States House of Representatives. The purpose of the plan was to purchase bad assets, reduce uncertainty regarding the worth of the remaining assets, and restore confidence in the credit markets. The text of the proposed law was expanded to 110 pages and was put forward as an amendment to H.R. 3997.[1] The amendment was rejected via a vote of the House of Representatives on September 29, 2008, by a margin of 228-205.[2]

On October 1, 2008, the Senate debated and voted on an amendment to H.R. 1424, which substituted a newly revised version of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 for the language of H.R. 1424.[3][4] The Senate accepted the amendment and passed the entire amended bill by a vote of 74-25.[5] Additional unrelated provisions added an estimated $150 billion to the cost of the package and increased the size of the bill to 451 pages.




Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President.  He has to work with what's handed to him.

448 additional pages of legislation ... who added those?
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Which conveniently links you to http://taxcut.barackobama.com/   ... hardly a "biased" source.
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Just enough back to hire that illegal immigrant to clean my house once a week......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Check out the Obama-Biden calculator.  If you're single with 3+ kids and no mortgage, you will receive 1119 dollars more than McCains plan.  How much does somebody earning $20,000 with 3+ kids pay in federal income tax?  ZERO!  They get it all back!  Yet still eligible for a gift of an extra $1119 from ole Uncle Sam.  And that's above what they already receive back in which they didn't pay into under the current tax code.  

Nothing like rewarding unproductiveness.  This is class warfare at it's best.  Socialism only works when you are able to convince the people of inequality between the have's and the have not's.  They would like you to believe that the extra $1000 dollars this person receives in the form of a government handout, is going to pull them into another socioeconomic class, which we all know it won't.  It's just buying votes.  That extra $1119 that the person making $20,000  a year will be eaten up by corporations as they pass on the cost of the tax hike that the upper 5% are getting.  Marking everything up......... A nickel here, a dime there, a quarter over there, eventually taking that extra $1119 that you receive over the course of a year.  Leaving you no better off than you were a year ago.

Class warfare is a popular political trick use to bring leaders to power. Whether it's the  Karl Marx and the Communist Party or Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers Party.  Demonizing the rich and business owners, and victimize the working class, promising a utopian society if only those greedy rich payed their fare share, in the name of nationalism.

When you call on the government for help, sometime you get more government than you wanted.  


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http://charlestonwatch.com/2008/10/shrimp_n_grits_131.html

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Income Redistribution - A fulfilling experiment when personally applied!

Lee Walton
Last Thursday while walking to lunch on the corner of Market and East Bay, I passed what appeared to be a homeless man standing on the corner of Wentworth and East Bay holding a hand-made sign that read, “Vote Obama, I need the money.”, I laughed to myself and admired the man for his misplaced, albeit blatant honesty.

Once inside one of my favorite restaurants, I noticed that my waiter was wearing a bright blue ,“Obama 08” tie; again I laughed to myself as he boldly and proudly advertised his political preference for all the world, and his customers, to see -- just imagine the odds of encountering two such 1st Amendment harbingers of change in less than 10-minutes.

When the check finally came I decided not to tip my waiter and explained to him that I was going to implement a practical application of Obama's Redistribution of Wealth concept as my own personal socialistic experiment. He stood there in stoic disbelief as I explained to him that I was going to redistribute his rightfully earned $10 tip to someone who I deemed more in need...a homeless fellow standing a few blocks north in front of the Harris Teeter parking lot. The waiter stammered a few "Why practice on me? I’m just a local college student!" retorts and then angrily stormed away from the table in a steaming huff of progressive self-righteous indignation.
Apparently, after experiencing firsthand the application of such socialistic governance from the perspective of the rightful wage earner, my young liberal-minded waiter was quickly convinced that income redistribution was much easier to support as a noble, magnanimous social policy than when his own hard-earned income was about to be redistributed, against his will, to another I deemed more needy.

I went outside, walked back up to Wentworth, gave the homeless guy a $10 bill, and asked him to walk down to the restaurant on the corner and thank the waiter there who was wearing the “Obama 08” tie as I've decided he could use the money more than my waiter who had actually earned the $10. The homeless fellow smiled in grateful disbelief, tossed his sign in the hedge, and promptly bounded for the liquor store across the street.

At the end of this impromptu and rather unscientific income redistribution experiment I realized the homeless fellow was truly grateful for the money that he had not exerted any effort to earn, but my liberal-minded waiter was highly indignant that I would take from him and then give to another the honest wages that he had worked hard to earn even though the homeless recipient needed the money more.

As I walked back to my office, I began thinking about the heavy burden of corporate ownership and the endless frustration from beating my head against the wall of increasing bureaucracy year-after-year. I also thought of the majority of this year’s hard-earned profits that I had planned to reinvest in a few new employees, annual raises to reward loyalty and hard work, Christmas bonuses for extraordinary effort, and year-end corporate donations to the SC Aquarium, Coastal Conservation League, and the Historic Charleston Foundation.

After reconsidering my apparent politically incorrect capitalistic beliefs, the needs of my hard-working, albeit financially struggling, middle-class staff, and the six-figure salaries of the three non-profits’ directors sitting in the big stately, well-maintained buildings that each called home, I decided then and there to give every last penny of this year’s profit directly to Charleston’s Homeless Shelter, layoff all my staff, close our company, retire early, and depend upon the largesse of Obama’s promised Redistribution of Wealth for my every need!
In that brief instance, I too became a practicing socialist!


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you people are the greedyest I have ever heard with no kindness in the hearts over there
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...none whatsoever, in your eyes I am sure...


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