Quoted from mikechristine1

We regret it already.  WE taxpayers will be footing the bill for much of it

The metroplex needs to be abolished! And don't think that it will change if the reps take over. It will be the same bullcrap.....only with different faces. Abolish the metroplex.

It is absolutely insane to build these condos. For who??? Everyone is moving OUT because the freakin' taxes are out of control!! And the plex was not designed to use taxpayer's money to build 'homes aka condos'!!

Do we know how much Metroplex money Death Ray has promised?

Quoted from JackBauer

So let me get this straight - NY is experiencing a population loss...  In fact we are losing one congressional representative...  But despite NY losing population, your thesis is that Schenectady County is experiencing population growth?

Now personally I wouldn't mind seeing condos at ALCO, even though it is sad that it is an old manufacturing site that would forever be essentially banned from ever becoming manufacturing again...  But in a growing area, condos on a riverfront could be nice.

However I'm too much of a pragmatist to think it makes any real sense.

There is a glut of housing, high crime, poorly managed city, and ever increasing taxes.  Oh - and NY State isn't growing, people are leaving because of high taxes and it's not a "right to work" state.

Whoever puts up the millions to build such a place...  is going to regret it.

My thesis is that as the cost of gas goes up ... people will want to live closer to the urban centers  .. and
with the high speed rail connection being proposed that will connect  Schenectady to Albany and other
points east and west -- people will want to buy condominiums in Schenectady.  

Keep dreaming.

The high speed rail between NYC and Buffalo is NOT a dream .. it will become a reality by the end
of this decade.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

My thesis is that as the cost of gas goes up ... people will want to live closer to the urban centers  .. and
with the high speed rail connection being proposed that will connect  Schenectady to Albany and other
points east and west -- people will want to buy condominiums in Schenectady.  

Why would people want to pay high taxes for something then can get a couple miles away for low taxes?

And can you respond as to why, when gas was much much higher than it is today, when it was $4.50 a gallon, how come people didn't move to Schenectady in droves????   Huh?   How come when gas was much higher, people still avoided Schenectady like the plague?

By the way, how come there are so many houses for sale in Schenectady?

And how come no one is buying the houses that are for sale?

Houses just aren't for sale....many are just plain EMPTY! Walked away because they couldn't pay their high taxes. No jobs! High crime!! And it looks like a sh!thole!

Question here.....what is the flooding like along the river in that area?

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

My thesis is that as the cost of gas goes up ... people will want to live closer to the urban centers  .. and
with the high speed rail connection being proposed that will connect  Schenectady to Albany and other
points east and west -- people will want to buy condominiums in Schenectady.  

Ok well I am glad you have some logic behind it.  I mean I do disagree with it, but that's ok.

1)  I disagree that high speed rail is going to go anywhere.

• American's love their cars.
  
• Even if gas goes to $7-$8/gallon...  Since the feds are mandating higher fuel efficiency standards, fuel costs will be mitigated.
  
• NY and the federal government do not have the funds to go spending billions of dollars on high speed rail.  While some dems think of this as the cure all for our woes, and I am completely not against it - the "bang for buck" equation is going to never make this happen - especially as the financial house of cards collapse that has hit Greece, Ireland, Spain...  Will soon hit us thanks to progressive spending programs.
  

2)  Even if high speed rail did come about - there are nicer places to live that wouldn't have increasing crime and high taxes.  Heck I'd consider such a condo for myself - as I want to live in Sch'dy (close to work and family) and it would probably be a nice environment.  However even though I said I'd consider it - it still is quite unlikely for me, as I'm pragmatic enough to realize I don't want to get stuck owning property in a city that is dying due to mismanagement and the wonderful public union "entitlements".

3)  Crime is going to get worse.  And it's not just a Schenectady issue.  It's an entitlement problem - where we have trained generations to rely on the government...  Not instilling self reliance.  As job losses grow due to spending, our federal debt, and the very possible loss of AAA credit rating (leading to even higher interest payments)...  It is a vicious downward spiraling cycle.   This will lead to more crime as people still will want to eat or buy nice things or drive their Escalade.  This isn't just an issue within this area, or this state.  It's a systemic problem - probably less so in conservative states that have a more self-reliant population.

Things will get worse - and they might get extraordinarily bad.

I'm too tired to go on.  That's enough for me now.  

Quoted from JackBauer

Ok well I am glad you have some logic behind it.  I mean I do disagree with it, but that's ok.

1)  I disagree that high speed rail is going to go anywhere.

• American's love their cars.
  
• Even if gas goes to $7-$8/gallon...  Since the feds are mandating higher fuel efficiency standards, fuel costs will be mitigated.
  
• NY and the federal government do not have the funds to go spending billions of dollars on high speed rail.  While some dems think of this as the cure all for our woes, and I am completely not against it - the "bang for buck" equation is going to never make this happen - especially as the financial house of cards collapse that has hit Greece, Ireland, Spain...  Will soon hit us thanks to progressive spending programs.
  

2)  Even if high speed rail did come about - there are nicer places to live that wouldn't have increasing crime and high taxes.  Heck I'd consider such a condo for myself - as I want to live in Sch'dy (close to work and family) and it would probably be a nice environment.  However even though I said I'd consider it - it still is quite unlikely for me, as I'm pragmatic enough to realize I don't want to get stuck owning property in a city that is dying due to mismanagement and the wonderful public union "entitlements".

3)  Crime is going to get worse.  And it's not just a Schenectady issue.  It's an entitlement problem - where we have trained generations to rely on the government...  Not instilling self reliance.  As job losses grow due to spending, our federal debt, and the very possible loss of AAA credit rating (leading to even higher interest payments)...  It is a vicious downward spiraling cycle.   This will lead to more crime as people still will want to eat or buy nice things or drive their Escalade.  This isn't just an issue within this area, or this state.  It's a systemic problem - probably less so in conservative states that have a more self-reliant population.

Things will get worse - and they might get extraordinarily bad.

I'm too tired to go on.  That's enough for me now.  

People from NYC are snapping up real estate in the City of Hudson and City of Rensselaer .. both of which
have crime problems but are on a direct rail line to NYC.     I know a number of people who commute to
NYC from both of those cities.       Adding a high speed rail line will just make it that much easier to work
in NYC and go to bed in your home in Hudson or Schenectady  every night.

Schenectady is no where near as bad as Phoenix or Miami or Atlanta or Houston or Las Vegas .... crime wise ... and guess what .. those cities are flourishing.

Schenectady lost the State funds for the rail station in Schenectady (close to $16 million) this past October. Where are they going to get the money for that now????? Probably out of the taxpayers pockets, I mean, if you can get "free" money from the State (what a joke, that's still taxpayer money), go to the "deep pockets" of the overburdened, bankrupt taxpayers....ever hear of a Hoover flag? Lots of those waving in Schenectady...

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Schenectady is no where near as bad as Phoenix or Miami or Atlanta or Houston or Las Vegas .... crime wise ... and guess what .. those cities are flourishing.

You're comparing apples to dogs here.

Schenectady was a manufacturing city.  It is not a "destination city" like all of the above are.  There are about 6 million residents of the greater Atlanta area, same for Houston.

No one is itching to move to a once great industrial city and pay extraordinarily high tax rates that accompany a high, and growing, crime rate.

It just isn't going to happen.  People are leaving our community, and high speed rail, and nice condo's are not going to reverse that.

What will?

More local jobs
Better schools
Lower taxes

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People from NYC are snapping up real estate in the City of Hudson and City of Rensselaer .. both of which
have crime problems but are on a direct rail line to NYC.     I know a number of people who commute to
NYC from both of those cities.       Adding a high speed rail line will just make it that much easier to work
in NYC and go to bed in your home in Hudson or Schenectady  every night.

Schenectady is no where near as bad as Phoenix or Miami or Atlanta or Houston or Las Vegas .... crime wise ... and guess what .. those cities are flourishing.[/quote


Schenectady is WAY worse than any of those places with freezing cold weather and crippling taxes added on for insult to the injury. You obviously stay indoors at your aunt's house and play pretend all day. I having been to these places can tell you that we are 95 years old, tubercular, filled with cancer and near 6 feet under in relationship to any of them who are comparative healthy 20 year olds with the occasional acne. The crime here is just as bad when taken to scale and more so the crime there is localized to sections while ours is pervasive throughout.

Quoted from JackBauer

You're comparing apples to dogs here.

Schenectady was a manufacturing city.  It is not a "destination city" like all of the above are.  There are about 6 million residents of the greater Atlanta area, same for Houston.

No one is itching to move to a once great industrial city and pay extraordinarily high tax rates that accompany a high, and growing, crime rate.

It just isn't going to happen.  People are leaving our community, and high speed rail, and nice condo's are not going to reverse that.

What will?

More local jobs
Better schools
Lower taxes

I admit -- Phoenix and Atlanta are "dogs" ... and Schenectady is the "apple" -- a shiny one at that.

Based on crime statistics .. Schenectady is NOT worse than Atlanta, Phoenix, Houston or Miami.

You folks wouldn't last  one hour in a big city like those -- you'd be curled up in the fetal position
and crying for Mommy.  
I spent over 6 years of my life living in Detroit and Baltimore ---- never had a problem .. even though both of those cities have crime rates worse than Schenectady.  And both of those cities - even with high
crime rates had MANY more good and decent people which made them GREAT cities to live in.
BTW - you can get great real estate deals in Detroit.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Based on crime statistics .. Schenectady is NOT worse than Atlanta, Phoenix, Houston or Miami.

You folks wouldn't last  one hour in a big city like those -- you'd be curled up in the fetal position
and crying for Mommy.  

I don't think I ever said our crime rates are higher - but our crime rates are going up.

The violent crime rates in those cities may be 20% or so higher, but that is nothing to brag about implying our city is safe.