I don't really think it matters if the Republican Party "resurrects" itself or not, assuming it needs resurrection. The Republican Party today looks like the Democratic Party of yesterday...a party in complete disarray. Poor administrations and poor candidates will tend to do that to a party.
It comes back to candidates. I've always been a registered Republican, though today I couldn't begin to justify why I remain so. Over the years, I've cast my vote for Republicans, Democrats, Independents, and Conservatives. It's all about the right candidate, especially at the local level where your vote is much more tangible.
Getting the right candidate can be tricky for anyone familiar with how the parties actually go about choosing one. My recent experience with that process opened my eyes quite a bit to what they consider the most important criteria. Change leadership all you want, but the new leader comes out of the flawed process, and the paradigm doesn't change all that much.
Compromise as a solution? Sure, sounds nice. And I like the premise absolutely. But read the comments in this thread alone by outsiders and the reliance on affixing blame for the past is astounding...do you really think the players are any better? You'll never ever get the results you're seeking until you start holding yourself to the higher standard you expect from others.
We need to get out of our own way. Stop complaining so much about what went wrong and who's to blame, and just start fixing things. To do that, we're going to have to change the entire paradigm. Forget trying to "resurrect" the party. Shoot it and put it out of it's own misery. It's time to find true, caring candidates that will get the job done that needs to get done. Start thinking beyond whatever "party" you attribute yourself and take the chance of voting for the newcomer. Look beyond the entrenched incumbents. Some of these guys have been around forever and yet, here we are so how good have they really been?
I've had enough. I expect to make a giant leap toward trying to change the paradigm. If all goes well, I hope to be coming to a ballot near you soon.
the rerpubs caused the national deficit and that there and cut the taxes to zero on the rich so now we are paying the price over here in the county so dont be fools and put them back in after what they did what with GE leaving and them ruining downtown and all plus letting trhe criminals off easy and cutting the benefits for the seniors to.
Sal....you're confusing political parties with generational choices.......kids/seniors all pawns to you.......
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Any new candidate is welcome and agree with your assessment of incumbents but if you don't think we need a 2 party system, any 2 parties, then don't run. "Working together" has completely destroyed this County.
How are we to learn from past mistakes if everyone is looking the other way? We get enought of that from the newspaper and City School District -we don't need it here. If you are really a REP you are in for a quick wake up on political realities here when you seek another line.
The laws are tilted and so is public sentiment, to have two parties compete. Independents don't have the organization and the few that are successful to any degree have to either take a major party endorsement (and no longer BE independent) OR they lose ala' Ross Perot, despite spending personal fortunes. So if you want to deal in reality then you need to focus on getting involved personally in one party or the other, or a minor party, and make your influence known, whether that means to vote in a primary, carry a petition for one guy or gal, or to actually be on a commitee and have a say as to who the candidates will be next fall or whatever. If you don't agree with me, fine, then just point to three "independent" candidates in office who are successful and i will demure.
Nobody likes monopolies but the facts are the facts. I am a libertarian Reaganite. I think the GOP has gone in the wrong direction over the past 8 years or so. Has it made me happy? No. But my other alternative is to join the neo marxists calling themselves democrats. My primary vote and willingness to speak up for the few republicans who actually stand for something let me have my say. I have to choose the lesser of 2 evils since for no and the foreseeable future, these are my options. I prefer not to have the democrats have absolute power since I see where this is heading and I don't like what I see. They control 95% of the power base in America because of an ineloquent republican leader who failed on core issues, a long war, a press that is sympathetic to democrats, and a charismatic democrat president who seems to have people under the ether.
Not good for America to have this sort of radical tilt and cult worship at this time. Will you see me give democrats a vote anywhere, ever? yes, I have and might. But at this juncture I would say not this year. They throw out Sue Savage, get standard bearers other then Bob Godloseski, then maybe. But that won't happen yet.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
Any new candidate is welcome and agree with your assessment of incumbents but if you don't think we need a 2 party system, any 2 parties, then don't run. "Working together" has completely destroyed this County.
How are we to learn from past mistakes if everyone is looking the other way? We get enought of that from the newspaper and City School District -we don't need it here. If you are really a REP you are in for a quick wake up on political realities here when you seek another line.
I don't think I said abolish the 2 party system...I appreciate it as much as the next guy. But if your sincere goal is "working together" then "party" takes on much less significance. Top caliber candidates with good ideas should be able to get things done...just like in a successful corporation.
I'm not suggesting we don't learn from our mistakes. Understanding what went wrong is critical to fixing it. But affixing blame and rehashing ad infinitum is not the same thing as recognizing the failings and constructively going about remedying them.
I've already had my wake up call. I fully accept the challenges of the political realities. I don't necessarily intend to seek another line. Election law allows for creating one of your own. I don't agree with the assessment that it's impossible or ineffective to take that approach.
I wasn't kidding when I said it's time to create a new paradigm. I won't argue my case within the status quo. I may get crushed, but I'll be able to look at myself in the mirror every day.
The laws are tilted and so is public sentiment, to have two parties compete. Independents don't have the organization and the few that are successful to any degree have to either take a major party endorsement (and no longer BE independent) OR they lose ala' Ross Perot, despite spending personal fortunes. So if you want to deal in reality then you need to focus on getting involved personally in one party or the other, or a minor party, and make your influence known, whether that means to vote in a primary, carry a petition for one guy or gal, or to actually be on a commitee and have a say as to who the candidates will be next fall or whatever. If you don't agree with me, fine, then just point to three "independent" candidates in office who are successful and i will demure.
Nobody likes monopolies but the facts are the facts. I am a libertarian Reaganite. I think the GOP has gone in the wrong direction over the past 8 years or so. Has it made me happy? No. But my other alternative is to join the neo marxists calling themselves democrats. My primary vote and willingness to speak up for the few republicans who actually stand for something let me have my say. I have to choose the lesser of 2 evils since for no and the foreseeable future, these are my options. I prefer not to have the democrats have absolute power since I see where this is heading and I don't like what I see. They control 95% of the power base in America because of an ineloquent republican leader who failed on core issues, a long war, a press that is sympathetic to democrats, and a charismatic democrat president who seems to have people under the ether.
Not good for America to have this sort of radical tilt and cult worship at this time. Will you see me give democrats a vote anywhere, ever? yes, I have and might. But at this juncture I would say not this year. They throw out Sue Savage, get standard bearers other then Bob Godloseski, then maybe. But that won't happen yet.
You weren't paying close enough attention to my earlier comments. I said I intend to create a new paradigm. You're stuck in trying to operate within the confines of the status quo. Good luck with that. Your "alternatives" are limited because you can't see past certain barriers of the past. I'm giving you another alternative. My success is not predicated on the past success/failure of others. I create my own success. If I am destined to fail miserably first, so be it...but I'm familiar with travelling the road of success. It isn't always pretty, but if the goal is worth it, then so are the pitfalls along the way.
Well Mike, if you run for something you may get my vote. As far as an organization, it is hard to build one with brand recognition like Budweiser, McDonald's, Republican, Democrat, or any thing like that. I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE MAKING BETTER BURGERS AND BETTER BEER, but it is a numbers game. Nobody SELLS as many burgers and beer, or gets as many votes as those two lines. You may be a more quality candidate in many ways, but won't have a "brand" per se. That is where I am going with this. You need to win a plurality or majority of the votes, not have the best speech, the best views, be willing to be more honest, more ethical and work harder, It all comes down to NUMBERS. The paradigm you want to create is a "brand." But that takes, money and people. And in this case it take adherence to core values as well. Also factor in hereditary favoritism and parochialism.
I will give you an example- You make a better burger and some folks will eat it because it tastes better. Some won't even cross the threshold of your burger joint. Did you ever meet someone who says 'My father was a die hard democrat so I am too." or "The union told us to vote this way and that it is better for our contract." So it is even harder to sway someone from that brand then when you are selling burgers or beer. They have an emotional or hereditary or ECONOMIC attachment -for example "Obama will pay off my mortgage, I am voting democrat." or "The republicans will cut my taxes so I vote row B."
All very sad but true. I am not "defending" the way it is. I am simply laying it out reasonably. Ross Perot almost did it. Movements need leaders. The American Revolution needed Washington. An Independence movement of any sort needs someone of that national caliber, yet no one has been able to do that in 200 years for all intensive purposes. Doing it EVEN in Rotterdam is hard. Maybe more so. But hats off to your ideals!
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
GB, you are correct, however, the political parties are compromised. (I think that is a kinder word than politically corrupt) As far as joining an existing party and trying to get it back on track was already tried locally with the conservative party. They are clearly compromised. As far as the dems and reps....who can even tell the difference betwaeen the two?
Kudo's to Mike! He has my support!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Well Mike, if you run for something you may get my vote. As far as an organization, it is hard to build one with brand recognition like Budweiser, McDonald's, Republican, Democrat, or any thing like that. I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE MAKING BETTER BURGERS AND BETTER BEER, but it is a numbers game. Nobody SELLS as many burgers and beer, or gets as many votes as those two lines. You may be a more quality candidate in many ways, but won't have a "brand" per se. That is where I am going with this. You need to win a plurality or majority of the votes, not have the best speech, the best views, be willing to be more honest, more ethical and work harder, It all comes down to NUMBERS. The paradigm you want to create is a "brand." But that takes, money and people. And in this case it take adherence to core values as well. Also factor in hereditary favoritism and parochialism.
I will give you an example- You make a better burger and some folks will eat it because it tastes better. Some won't even cross the threshold of your burger joint. Did you ever meet someone who says 'My father was a die hard democrat so I am too." or "The union told us to vote this way and that it is better for our contract." So it is even harder to sway someone from that brand then when you are selling burgers or beer. They have an emotional or hereditary or ECONOMIC attachment -for example "Obama will pay off my mortgage, I am voting democrat." or "The republicans will cut my taxes so I vote row B."
All very sad but true. I am not "defending" the way it is. I am simply laying it out reasonably. Ross Perot almost did it. Movements need leaders. The American Revolution needed Washington. An Independence movement of any sort needs someone of that national caliber, yet no one has been able to do that in 200 years for all intensive purposes. Doing it EVEN in Rotterdam is hard. Maybe more so. But hats off to your ideals!
I get your point and appreciate it. Thanks for the input.
We will listen to your sage advice. Now that the County Conservatives are perfect? Well, close enough to perfect for Lefty. lol.
Just heard the most wonderful news concerning political "resurrecting". Could not be better. Stay tuned. Salami's got another hot one.
Buchannan resigned and Parisi is NOT filling the spot! Right?????
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
this is the end of the time for these guys since people I know in the know say that there is an investigation and the free asessments they gave to the party and buchanan are all illegal plus they raised up gabriels super market higher then any in the town
Logged
Any new candidate is welcome and agree with your assessment of incumbents but if you don't think we need a 2 party system, any 2 parties, then don't run. "Working together" has completely destroyed this County. 
We will listen to your sage advice. Now that the County Conservatives are perfect? Well, close enough to perfect for Lefty. lol.
