There needs to be a county home. End of argument. What are you all thinking? Wait until it is you and you need a a place and they send you to to some despicable place far away. The elderly deserve care and the chance to die with dignity. Let's hope it is not YOUR mother who cannot return to her home after some devastating illness or event.
3-4 years the average life stay in a nursing home.....society really doesn't fork it's $$ over to that...although it is a responsibility by each and everyone of us INDIVIDUALLY......dying with dignity doesn't require a nursing home.....as for not returning to your home after illness or event....IT HAPPENS TO ALL OF US.....it is hard for society to handle....hence "the service".... it can be done at home and it used to be done at home.....but society has flipped over......as for 'the poor', usually they stay home because 'the poor' have menial or no jobs and can perform the duties required to care for 'the poor elderly'.....
it is a disrespectful to call them 'poor elderly'.....we just get elderly and old......
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Put the nursing home where ever you can just make it a private business and not a tax sucking parasitic entity forever.
That doesn't answr the question. I'm not asking where we should build a new private business. I'm asking where do the poor elderly go that need nursing homes. The private nursing homes won't take them.
So, if you don't want elderly who neeed skilled care to be funded by the taxpayers, do you advocate they just be left to die in their apartments?
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Supermarket Gas Station Clothing Store Car Dealership Mechanics Garage Dentist
...or any other service society has a demand for. Why do taxpayers need to supply nursing homes?
And Glendale is a Sh*t home anyways. You call that dignity?
There are some dentists out there that take medicaid.
A car dealership???? Will you die without being able to buy a car? If you are poor you probably won't buy a car to begin with. And then you don't need a county mechanic staff for private people. If the poor dont have a car, they don't need a gas station. So all those are not even arguments into the picture.
THey have food stamps and WIC to buy groceries. And there are food pantries if they can't make the food last through the month. There are charities for clothing, heck, there are even charity groups to insure that all poor children can attend their prom!
And food pantries and other chairites are open only a few hours per week probably, most likely in a church basement, and staffed with volunteers.
Skilled nursing care for anyone, requires 24/7 care by staff who have specialized college degrees. How many people with degrees and their student loans will do the work on a volunteer basis?
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
3-4 years the average life stay in a nursing home.....society really doesn't fork it's $$ over to that...although it is a responsibility by each and everyone of us INDIVIDUALLY......dying with dignity doesn't require a nursing home.....as for not returning to your home after illness or event....IT HAPPENS TO ALL OF US.....it is hard for society to handle....hence "the service".... it can be done at home and it used to be done at home.....but society has flipped over......as for 'the poor', usually they stay home because 'the poor' have menial or no jobs and can perform the duties required to care for 'the poor elderly'.....
it is a disrespectful to call them 'poor elderly'.....we just get elderly and old......
I had a grandmother-in-law in a neighboring county. Her husband died probably 40 years before her. She never worked. She was alone in NYC until brought up here because her only child lived here, acutally, she had no more living siblings. She went into an apartment similar to what perhaps TenEyck, municipal housing. Her only income was the widows pension, maybe 400 a month. Oh, I guess she probably got some food stamps and such. It got to be it was very difficult to walk, she couldnt' do anything at all without help. Her son had a full time job. She needed shots, she needed someone to cook for her, assist her to the bathroom, basically, she could not be left alone for one minute. So, how does she stay at home.
My mom had an uncle who was widowed, no children. He had a stroke. His house had to be sold every last content, they took every penny of social security except maybe $25 a month. He was almost a vegetable for a while but came out of it and lived for 20 years. He could not take care of himself, partially paralyzed, how would you suggest he live alone?
I have a neighbor whose mother had a leg amputated at 85 and she had just enough dementia to not realize that she was eithout a leg. She was getting out of bed in the hospital and falling. They put someone in her room 24/7, except when family visited family could prevent her from getting out of bed. Now, would you say this elderly senile woman should not be in a nnursing home?
Yeah, it used to be done at home, Sure. Years ago, a couple would have many children, and when grown, most all children would continue to live locally. When parents got old, they would often live with one of their children, hence three generations living together, often another one of the children lived upstairs in the two family house, another child might be around the corner, you know the close knit ethnic neighborhoods. Another thing, not only the multiple generations, but years ago, the father went to work, his wife stayed home so she could take care of the elderly person Today, elderly might have a child or two, who well, figure the elderly parent is a widow and is 80 years old. THe child is 50 and married with the grandchild. The child has a spouse. Both the child and the spouse work and they are struggling to pay their child's (the grandchild) college tuition. So, do you suggest that the child or his/her spouse quit their job, then no college for the kid who then gets a low wage job? Because, how else will the elderly widow be taken care of?
People don't go move in to nursing homes to avoid paying rent. The prospective patient has to go through lots of review before being accepted and requires SKILLED NURSING care.
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
what do you think?.....as for poor elderly there are some that really aren't poor but decided to hand it over to the kids so that damn nursing home wouldn't get it.....I say pay what you can and suck the teet later.....
who draws the line for 'poor'.......
Well,. thery do look back 5 years now. How many years would you do the look back?
Now see, what most don't think of, and most people don't think this. Now, you're obviously talking about someone who lived frugally instead of lavishly, saved their money for retirement so they could live comfortable. So we'll say they have a $200,000 nest egg when they are 75, and they transfer to their children "in order to quality for medicaid, if ever needed."
Now, we'll say mom and dad are 55, their daughter is getting married. Mom and dad pay for the wedding....this was always tradition, parents of the bride put on the wedding. Maybe the daughter is putting her self through school. If mom and dad spend $30,000 on the wedding, and then one parent has a stroke and needs to go into a nursing home, would you say that the parents "transferred assets in order to quality for medicaid if ever needed" by paying for their daughter's wedding?
If a couple is financially able, and say, has four kids and bought a car for each of them upon college graduation, again, this is an example (but it used to be rather common), well, let's say parent goes into a nursing home a year after buying the fourth child the graduation gift and four years after same gift for child #3. Is medicaid correct by saying that parent was trying "get rid of assets in order to qualify for medicaid" buy buying a gift for their own child after graduation?
Now, here's another question, speaking of college. When a couple is 65 and are paying their 22 yr old child's college tuition, and one of the couple needs a nursing home, would you say that the parents transferred assets in order to quality for medicaid? If you ask why the kid isn't paying his/her own tuition, well not many kids can have full time jobs, go to college full time, have time to do homework, and sleep. Some have part time jobs, but part time $9 an hour jobs aren't going to pay the tuition. And remember, if they apply for financial aid, the federal goverment mandates parents report their own income through the child's age of 25 and then the fed gov calculate what the family contibution will be and between the child's part time job and the fed aid, and any scholarships, parents may need to pay some out of their own pocket.
Many young couples are struggling. Maybe one of the couple has lost a job and then taken a job at half the pay. But they day care expenses are still the same, so mom and dad help out with the day care expenses because they have a nest egg. WOuld you say that when mom and dad help their child with the day care expenses for his/her child, would you say that assistance is a "deliberate means to hide their money, a deliberate means to transfer their assets in order to qualify for medicaid."
Another example, many kids go on some school trip, typically to somehwere in Europe. So, couple has three kids, pays for these trips. ONe needs a nursing home, was the parent "transferring assets" when they paid the trips
If a couple transferred their house into the (adult) child's name 20 years ago, should the look back period go back that far? But remember, if you extend the look back 20 years, then more parents will be considered transferring assets for their children merely because they spend money for their child.
99% of the people around help their children out with weddings, college tuition, maybe grandchild's tuition, maybe a kids meical bills, etc and are not willfully trying to transfer assets in order to quality for medicaid.
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
I had a grandmother-in-law in a neighboring county. Her husband died probably 40 years before her. She never worked. She was alone in NYC until brought up here because her only child lived here, acutally, she had no more living siblings. She went into an apartment similar to what perhaps TenEyck, municipal housing. Her only income was the widows pension, maybe 400 a month. Oh, I guess she probably got some food stamps and such. It got to be it was very difficult to walk, she couldnt' do anything at all without help. Her son had a full time job. She needed shots, she needed someone to cook for her, assist her to the bathroom, basically, she could not be left alone for one minute. So, how does she stay at home.
My mom had an uncle who was widowed, no children. He had a stroke. His house had to be sold every last content, they took every penny of social security except maybe $25 a month. He was almost a vegetable for a while but came out of it and lived for 20 years. He could not take care of himself, partially paralyzed, how would you suggest he live alone?
I have a neighbor whose mother had a leg amputated at 85 and she had just enough dementia to not realize that she was eithout a leg. She was getting out of bed in the hospital and falling. They put someone in her room 24/7, except when family visited family could prevent her from getting out of bed. Now, would you say this elderly senile woman should not be in a nnursing home?
Yeah, it used to be done at home, Sure. Years ago, a couple would have many children, and when grown, most all children would continue to live locally. When parents got old, they would often live with one of their children, hence three generations living together, often another one of the children lived upstairs in the two family house, another child might be around the corner, you know the close knit ethnic neighborhoods. Another thing, not only the multiple generations, but years ago, the father went to work, his wife stayed home so she could take care of the elderly person Today, elderly might have a child or two, who well, figure the elderly parent is a widow and is 80 years old. THe child is 50 and married with the grandchild. The child has a spouse. Both the child and the spouse work and they are struggling to pay their child's (the grandchild) college tuition. So, do you suggest that the child or his/her spouse quit their job, then no college for the kid who then gets a low wage job? Because, how else will the elderly widow be taken care of?
People don't go move in to nursing homes to avoid paying rent. The prospective patient has to go through lots of review before being accepted and requires SKILLED NURSING care.
I know this isn't going to be popular but here's the thing.....just because medical services ie:surgery,life saving procedures, tube feeding etc are available....folks need to really really learn what the outcome would be when they are older.....I dont mean to be crass, but that IS the reason there are nursing homes.....who draws the line on who 'deserves' the procedures---the educated person.....now that is not the government/not me/and not insurance.....but, folks need to take a very hard look down the line about what they want to be when they are older.....we all want to live and not get old......but our medical advances (if one would like to call them that) have extended life (good thing) and now we cant afford them.......there ARE consequences/costs of long debilitating life......
If a family decides to take care of their loved one and aren't so 'skilled' at it that's OK........is it hard.....YOU BETCHA!!!! there are volunteer services/churches and other 'patches' for the families.....are they perfect.....NO WAY......
a nusing home is purchasing a 'piece of mind'......well, I dont think I can afford your mind and you cant afford my mind........no government run facility.......although with national healthcare coming this conversation is probably moote.....
life is hard, getting old is hard.....but.....IT IS LIFE.......until it's over.......
there are so many kids staying home until they are out of college and beyond.....they need a lesson in old age.......then move on quickly........it is later than they think.......
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Well,. thery do look back 5 years now. How many years would you do the look back?
Now see, what most don't think of, and most people don't think this. Now, you're obviously talking about someone who lived frugally instead of lavishly, saved their money for retirement so they could live comfortable. So we'll say they have a $200,000 nest egg when they are 75, and they transfer to their children "in order to quality for medicaid, if ever needed."
Now, we'll say mom and dad are 55, their daughter is getting married. Mom and dad pay for the wedding....this was always tradition, parents of the bride put on the wedding. Maybe the daughter is putting her self through school. If mom and dad spend $30,000 on the wedding, and then one parent has a stroke and needs to go into a nursing home, would you say that the parents "transferred assets in order to quality for medicaid if ever needed" by paying for their daughter's wedding?
If a couple is financially able, and say, has four kids and bought a car for each of them upon college graduation, again, this is an example (but it used to be rather common), well, let's say parent goes into a nursing home a year after buying the fourth child the graduation gift and four years after same gift for child #3. Is medicaid correct by saying that parent was trying "get rid of assets in order to qualify for medicaid" buy buying a gift for their own child after graduation?
Now, here's another question, speaking of college. When a couple is 65 and are paying their 22 yr old child's college tuition, and one of the couple needs a nursing home, would you say that the parents transferred assets in order to quality for medicaid? If you ask why the kid isn't paying his/her own tuition, well not many kids can have full time jobs, go to college full time, have time to do homework, and sleep. Some have part time jobs, but part time $9 an hour jobs aren't going to pay the tuition. And remember, if they apply for financial aid, the federal goverment mandates parents report their own income through the child's age of 25 and then the fed gov calculate what the family contibution will be and between the child's part time job and the fed aid, and any scholarships, parents may need to pay some out of their own pocket.
Many young couples are struggling. Maybe one of the couple has lost a job and then taken a job at half the pay. But they day care expenses are still the same, so mom and dad help out with the day care expenses because they have a nest egg. WOuld you say that when mom and dad help their child with the day care expenses for his/her child, would you say that assistance is a "deliberate means to hide their money, a deliberate means to transfer their assets in order to qualify for medicaid."
Another example, many kids go on some school trip, typically to somehwere in Europe. So, couple has three kids, pays for these trips. ONe needs a nursing home, was the parent "transferring assets" when they paid the trips
If a couple transferred their house into the (adult) child's name 20 years ago, should the look back period go back that far? But remember, if you extend the look back 20 years, then more parents will be considered transferring assets for their children merely because they spend money for their child.
99% of the people around help their children out with weddings, college tuition, maybe grandchild's tuition, maybe a kids meical bills, etc and are not willfully trying to transfer assets in order to quality for medicaid.
it is each of our responsibility to plan for our debilitating years.....that goes beyond retirement......and even if we have to fork over that $$ to our loved ones taking care of us to 'replace' their lost income for leaving work to care for us......I would emphatically state that probably 80% of the time it would be the woman........again a strangeness in our system........
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Maybe this is why so many GOPers are gun owners .. they shoot their elderly kinfolk .. rather than having to provide them decent care in their old age
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
Maybe this is why so many GOPers are gun owners .. they shoot their elderly kinfolk .. rather than having to provide them decent care in their old age
Nah.....the GOPers plan in advance and pay their own way into old age!!! I'm a registered blank and we pay our own way too!! We planned in advance...k? However.....I do own a gun. Actually I own 2....and I'm not a GOPer!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Lets see who wants to cut Medicare and Medicaid in the health-care bill by $500,000,000 which is what the poor elderly seniors have to enroll in when they hit 65.
Lets see who wants to cut Medicare and Medicaid in the health-care bill by $500,000,000 which is what the poor elderly seniors have to enroll in when they hit 65.
I would ask who/what is forcing them......????
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
I have been a Gazette subscriber for many years and generally agree with your editorials. I do take exception to the one Sept. 10 about Glendale Nursing Home and how a new facility is not needed at this time — and reasons why the county should not even be in the nursing home business. I have an elderly relative who is a resident of Glendale, so I see fi rsthand what the situation is there: excellent staff consisting of individuals who do care, but buildings and contents that show another side. My aunt is housed in the “newest” building, and the bed she sleeps in is an old-fashioned crank one. Space is limited for each resident. This is a skilled nursing and rehab center that the people of Schenectady County should be proud of. It just needs to be brought into the 21st century so it can take care of our elderly who no longer can take care of themselves or have family to do so.
New nursing home is needed .. and if Glenville doesn't want it .. Rotterdam should welcome it.
George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016 Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]
"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
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