Cic cries and moans and stomps his feet about paying a private corporate insurance company... but... He'd cry even louder if the payment was going to a govt run insurance program... So... What Cic really wants is a country where the Rich and half the middle class (and Cicero) have health care... and the rest of the USA goes with out.
I'm not surprised. It follows the old Republican truism... "A Republican can't really enjoy his meal, unless he knows that some one else is starving". The I got mine... Screw every one else, view.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Obamacare is not what is needed. Universal coverage would cover everyone, without Medicare monthly payments, without exceptions
Coverage for everyone at half the cost.
And just for the record, if corporations paid taxes your taxes would be 25% of what they are now.
Corporations pay taxes on net profit only. Everyone else pays taxes on gross income, minus personal deductions.
See Box, take a look at L4L. L4L is an unapologetic socialist and NOT a fascist. L4L wants to get rid of all market value of medicine and health care. L4L wants there be only one universal price for medicine by socializing the system.
Where socialism abolished money and prices; fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically.
Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement, reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam.
Sheer ignorance is a tempting explanation for the persistent willingness of the free to attack the foundations of their own freedom. Totalitarian societies are masters of disinformation and propaganda. How many generations of starry-eyed Western leftists made pilgrimages to the old USSR to gawk at any number of Potemkin villages and other cardboard-and-tinsel stage-sets for the socialist paradise?
the government IS the insurance company....always has been and always will be...unless we smarten up....
saying the government fixes healthcare is an oxymoron....
saying government fixes the insurance industry is a reality, however 'the fix' is STILL on us....the house always wins on this vig..
the plebs think of it as 'at least it's better than....'....it's always the 'at least' and with political rhetoric it will be at least and pretty much will add up to nothing other than bans on 40oz drinks....and we all say "WHEW! Glad the government is here to save us."
really?
healthcare is what is being legislated?
health INSURANCE is what is being legislated...a product/customer service/paid for by your neighbor....sh*t, next time I'm in line a walmart I'm going to ask my fellow pleb behind me to 'pick up my tab'.....
we should be wary of compelling the masses to other carrots via the rhetoric called Daddy Bloomberg's 40oz....
it will come...insidiously...regulation of toiletpaper sales to stem the treatment of hemorrhoids....
they already have fellow companies being indicted because they were 'supposed to know about their vendors/contractors choice/management of their own health insurance'....if fraud then the company is 'liable' for contracting with 'should have been known fraudulent practices of said vendor'....the vendor must open their healthcare books to get the contract...
oh, Box and the rest must be proud/safe/sound in knowing that others are fighting to keep them healthy...
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
See Box, take a look at L4L. L4L is an unapologetic socialist and NOT a fascist. L4L wants to get rid of all market value of medicine and health care. L4L wants there be only one universal price for medicine by socializing the system.
Where socialism abolished money and prices; fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically.
Medicine has a government enforced artificially high price due to government interference by means of patents. Every valuable drug can be cheaply produced but is disallowed by the government mafia.
Correct, I am an unapologetic socialist Libertarian. I understand that a completely Libertarian country would never be accepted.
Therefore I accept limited socialism.
I do not accept corporate welfare or tax exemptions for religious purposes.
I don't want the government to own or operate businesses. I want them to stay out of the free market entirely and provide the following socialist programs to at least meet the basic needs of everyone: The military, health care, education, social security and welfare for people only.
About one in 10 employers plan to drop health coverage when key provisions of the new health care law kick in less than two years from now, according to a survey to be released Tuesday by the consulting company Deloitte.
Nine percent of companies said they expect to stop offering coverage to their workers in the next one to three years, the Wall Street Journal reported. Around 81 percent said they would continue providing benefits and 10 percent said they weren't sure.
The companies, though, said a lot will depend on how future provisions of the law unfold, since most of the key parts are scheduled to take effect in 2014. One in three respondents said they could stop offering coverage if the law requires them to provide more generous benefits than they do now, if a tax on high-cost plans takes effect in 2018 as scheduled or if they decide it would be cheaper for them to pay the penalty for not providing insurance.
While small business don't face fines for failing to offer coverage, companies with 50 or more full time employees face a penalty starting at $2,000 per worker.
Business owners will pay $4 billion more in taxes under President Obama’s Affordable Care Act (ACA) than the Congressional Budget Office had previously expected.
“According to the updated estimates, the amount of deficit reduction from penalty payments and other effects on tax revenues under the ACA will be $5 billion more than previously estimated,” the CBO reported today. “That change primarily effects a $4 billion increase in collections from such payments by employers, a $1 billion increase in such payments by individuals, and an increase of less than $500 million in tax revenues stemming from a small reduction in employment-based coverage, which will lead to a larger share of total compensation taking the form of taxable wages and salaries and a smaller share taking the form of nontaxable health benefits.”
In short, CBO revised the Obamacare tax burden upward by $4 billion for businesses and $1 billion to $1.5 billion for individual workers.
CBO couldn’t help but bump into Chief Justice John Roberts controversial decision uphold the individual mandate as a constitutional exercise of Congress’s taxing power. The report dubs the individual mandate a “penalty tax” — that is, “a penalty paid to the Treasury by taxpayers when they file their tax returns and enforced by the Internal Revenue Service.”
Budget Office: Obama's Health Law Reduces Deficit By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: July 24, 2012 at 5:39 PM ET
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's health care overhaul will shrink rather than increase the nation's huge federal deficits over the next decade, Congress' nonpartisan budget scorekeepers said Tuesday, supporting Obama's contention in a major election-year dispute with Republicans.
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