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Sorry, lone wolf versus possibly more involved is far from a silly point! I think it's
very important for authorities to factually determine if others were involved.

On another point asked about getting weapons to room, reported today that as a high roller
he was allowed to use service elevator and avoid the more scrutinized front elevators. It's
believed that's what he used to get all those weapons up to the room undetected. Guessing
no cameras to show that maybe.


Jo its the way and how you go about trying to make a point  that after a while sounds  like scrabble on steroids

Maybe a mystery gunman will surface- idoubt it

" use " the service elevator ?  what idiot said that ? beside there are even more cameras in the back of house. ( employee pilfering ) No guest, are allowed back there. -Even if he flew in on his own jet - In Vegas you need a  GAMING BADGE.


Security and Engineering all have radios. At 9:59 THEY WERE ALL GOING OFF.
The front desk switchboard was going nuts - guests on 32 floor complaining  about the noise that sounds like gunshots

There gonna make a movie about what happens in the next six minutes


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ya just can't make this crap up!



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Officials Reveal Vegas Gunman Was Given Access to Service Elevator at Mandalay Bay
The question of how Stephen Paddock was able to get 23 guns in the hotel without anyone noticing may have just been answered — the service elevator.

By Matt Agorist -  October 11, 2017



http://thefreethoughtproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/service-elevator-696x366.jpg
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Las Vegas, NV — One of the most asked questions about the massacre in Las Vegas was, “How did Stephen Paddock get hundreds of pounds of ammo and nearly two dozen assault rifles into his suite on the 32 floor of Mandalay Bay without anyone noticing?” Thanks to a new report, we may now have that answer—he was allowed to use the service elevator.

The official story of how and why Stephen Paddock murdered 58 people at a music festival in Las Vegas last week is falling apart. This week, as TFTP reported, police made massive reversals in their narrative which raised a myriad of questions and speculation. Now, according to a report from ABC, we are learning that Paddock had access to and used the service elevator at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in the days leading up to his attack on the country music festival.

According to AP, officials briefed on the investigation told ABC News that Paddock’s access to the service elevator was a perk for high rollers. No further information about when and how he used the elevator has been released.



What makes this new revelation particularly interesting is that on Sunday, chief executive of Wynn Resorts, Steve Wynn slipped up and seemingly indicated that he knew Paddock used the elevator—days before officials released this information to the media.

“You’d never stop a man like this (Paddock) from coming in the building,” Wynn told FOX News on Sunday. “However,” he continued, “nobody in this company’s history, no public person, has ever walked in the service elevator unless they were accompanied by security. Uh, that wouldn’t happen.”


This tidbit of information was offered up randomly as they were not talking about elevator use at all. When Chris Wallace heard Wynn say this, however, he immediately asked for clarification.

“Did he (Paddock) go in the service elevator, Steve?” asked Wallace.

Wynn then proceeds to fumble his response, seemingly knowing he’d just revealed information the public was not given.


“Uh, Uh, Uh, I’m just saying, anything like that…I’m not sure if he did. But nobody ever goes in the back of the house unaccompanied by security,” replies Wynn.




This now raises the questions: Was Paddock accompanied by security in the service elevator of the Mandalay Bay? And, if so, how did security not notice the 23 guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition Paddock was loading up in his room?

It is entirely possible that a slip up here and there at a casino could happen from time to time. However, the idea that not one of the hundreds of security personnel, casino observers, police officers, nor the thousands of cameras at the Mandalay Bay resort captured or saw anything suspicious as this man lugged massive bags of weapons and ammo through the service elevator while setting up his own cameras in the hall, is preposterous.

Given the fact the police have now shifted their original story of Jesus Campos being hailed as a “hero” for stopping the shooting, to arriving 6 minutes before the shooting, and that Paddock arrived three days before police originally claimed, and the fact that Paddock was granted access to the security elevator—one should begin to question every aspect of this massacre.


“This changes everything,” said Joseph Giacalone, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a former New York City police sergeant, after finding out about the new details. “There absolutely was an opportunity in that timeframe that some of this could’ve been mitigated.”

“By engaging the shooter ahead of time during this event, it could’ve saved a lot of heartache,” he added. However, as this new information shows, not only was Paddock not stopped from opening fire on a crowd of 22,000 people, it now appears that he actually had help.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/stephen-paddock-service-elevator/


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However, while most of what we are being told appears to be true, there are still some glaring inconsistencies that need to be addressed. The Free Thought Project has come up with a list of the top five inconsistencies surrounding this tragedy and we feel it is important to point them out to ultimately find the truth. Unlike other irresponsible outlets—rife with falsehoods—we will not attempt to claim we know the truth, nor speculate on a motive.

1. Stephen Paddock did not fit the bill for a mass murderer.

This is perhaps the most glaring of all the inconsistencies as most of the recent psychopath mass murderers in recent history made moves prior to killing that were consistent with being a psychopathic killer. Paddock did not.

Most odd was the fact that Paddock was rich. He was an accountant, lived in a half million dollar home in a retirement community and had no criminal record.

Paddock’s brother, Eric Paddock was equally stunned to hear about what his brother had done as he had just talked to him. “We’re still just completely befuddled. Dumbstruck,” he said.

He described his brother as having “no history of violence. No history of anything couldn’t give a s*** less about politics, religion, pointy hatted people etc, etc. He just wanted to get a freaking royal flush.”

Eric said he had last talked to his brother when he called down to Florida to see how his mother was making out after losing power from hurricane Irma. How many mass murderers call to check on their mother before going on to slaughter dozens of innocent people?

2. Paddock was still playing with his girlfriend’s casino card trying to rack up points the night of the shooting.

Eric Paddock said how his brother “loved to gamble. He loved — when I say loved — it was a job. It was fun because people were nice to him.”

Paddock was a regular in Vegas. He’d even been captured on surveillance footage in the Cosmopolitan Casino in 2011 in which he was seen falling. He later tried to sue the hotel for getting hurt and even then everyone remained cordial and nice to him.

Prior to the shooting, Paddock had been at the Mandalay Bay casino for four days and had not done anything out of the ordinary to garner the attention of hotel security.

He had simply been gambling. While it is possible that he was simply blending in to maintain his cover and wait for the moment to strike, the fact that he used his girlfriend’s slot machine card seems completely out of the ordinary.

For those that don’t know, slot cards or gambling cards are ways casinos track loyal customers. When you rack up enough points, they will comp a room or a meal for you. Paddock was playing with this card—essentially planning for future comps—on the very night he opened fire on a crowd of 22,000 people.

Blending in is one thing, but racking up points to plan for future benefits on the night you are going to commit mass murder seems glaringly inconsistent.

3. Surveillance footage of Paddock inside the hotel has yet to be released.

In most mass shootings, within 24-hours, we usually see at least a still image of the perpetrator as captured by the building’s surveillance cameras. In Paddock’s case, as of the time this article was published, none of this footage has been released.

Why not release at least a single shot of Paddock walking into the hotel lobby?

4. Neither room service, house cleaning, surveillance footage, nor security saw him bring hundreds of pounds of guns and ammo into the room.

Original reports noted that Paddock had somewhere around ten firearms in his hotel room after it was breached by SWAT. However, reports as of Tuesday morning now say authorities recovered a whopping 23 weapons.

Police noted that only one of these weapons was a handgun, meaning that 22 of them were long-form rifles or shotguns.

Just to put the sheer logistics of bringing in these guns into perspective, here is an image of 23 rifles.


This image shows just the guns, not the hundreds of rounds of ammo to fill them.



He had brought “in excess of 10” suitcases to the suite over several days, Sheriff Joe Lombardo said. Yet no one thought this to be suspicious?

Housekeepers said they “saw no signs of anything” suspicious, Nevada Rep. Dina Titus told CNN.

Paddock had a “pretty well hidden” arsenal, she said.

Authorities believe Paddock brought the weapons into the hotel by himself but did not provide specifics.

5. If Paddock acted alone, who was this mystery woman who warned everyone they were going to die 45 minutes before the shooting?

Caught on video after the shooting was an eyewitness report given to a local NBC affiliate in which a woman was described to have warned of the attack. The eyewitness claims to have seen a woman push her way to the first row of the concert roughly 45 minutes before the shooting began and levy threats indicating that everyone would soon be dead.

“So there was a lady who pushed her way forward into the first row and she started messing with another lady. She told us we were all going to die tonight – it was about forty-five minutes before the shots were fired,” the witness states.


While all these questions and inconsistencies could soon be answered or laid to rest by authorities, no mainstream media outlets are asking them.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/inconsistencies-las-vegas-shooting/


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I'm sure there are some (not that i've seen) .... but ALL of social media (fb/twitter/blogs etc)  is exploding!! Nobody is buying ANY of the story.


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ya just can't make this crap up!





Ill eat my shorts if that is actually true !!!!!!

ok Joe  sorry maybe he did use a  " service elevator "  for VIP s .

I have worked on dozens of casinos in the past 20 years and have never seen a customer in the back .  As a matter of fact things have only gotten more secure ,( especially the back of house ) over the years.
Regardless it does not look good for  Mandalay security or whoever is gonna get blamed for the slow response


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Described as the deadliest mass shooting in American history, and the "authorities" are incapable of establishing an accurate timeline?  They couldnt get his check in date correct, and now time when the security guard was shot is incorrect.  These "mistakes" are made at a crime scene that is arguably the most secure privately owned and operated space in the country.  I'm supposed to believe these mistakes were made because it was difficult to get that information?


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Maybe a mystery gunman will surface- idoubt it

Suggesting the possibility he didn't act alone does not mean there might have been another shooter,
but it is possible this guy had help or others knew what was going on. I still believe he acted
alone, but can't rule out other possibilities.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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it's long but worth it.
he chit chats a bit....but ....




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LAST NIGHT

Las Vegas security guard Jesus Campos disappears moments before TV interviews

Where in the world is Jesus Campos?

The Mandalay Bay security guard shot by Stephen Paddock in the moments leading up to the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history was set to break his silence Thursday night with five television interviews, including one on Fox News, Campos' union president said.

Except when the cameras were about to roll, and media gathered in the building to talk to him, Campos reportedly bolted, and, as of early Friday morning, it wasn't immediately clear where he was.


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TUCKER CARLSON...REALLY????  BWAHAHAHAH! He has had string
of fakes on his show...talk about fake news...he and Donnie lead the pack!!!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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This is like a " Dirty Harry " movie without   Dirty Harry .


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This is like a " Dirty Harry " movie without   Dirty Harry .

Now that sounds like scrabble on steroids!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
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Now that sounds like scrabble on steroids!


I like to think that I try and live  life  by " what would Jesus do" ?
but sometimes you need Dirty Harry on speed dial.





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