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Las Vegas gunman shot security guard a full six minutes before opening fire on concertgoers, police reveal

Police have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country-music concert — raising new questions about why police weren’t able to pinpoint the gunman’s location sooner.

Officials had previously said that gunmanStephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, an assault that began at 10:05 p.m.

Officials had previously credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.

But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now don’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.


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Both the FBI and LVPD released info on and commented on the investigation into the motive of the shooter, but I have not heard mention of the logistics on how a 64 year old man was able to get 27 rifles and thousands of rounds of ammo into a Las Vegas Casino suite.  Did baggage handlers bring the gun luggage to his room, or did he bring it himself?  There has to be video of the entire process.  From the  gun luggage taken out of the vehicle, to the luggage entering the hotel, to the luggage being loaded on the elevator, to the luggage being dropped off at his room.   I'm sure you've been to a casino, besides the bathrooms and inside the hotel rooms, there are cameras EVERYWHERE.

And I'm sure the authorities have all of the available info, for this ONGOING INVESTIGATION! There is a line between what can be shared with the public
during an investigation and what needs to be held back. You just never seem to understand that, obvious from other postings you've made. Guess you just need
to have all the graphics because you are a ghoul. Regardless, anyone that thinks this is fake news or conspiracy, etc., really needs to seek help because their
brains are obviously short circuited...maybe too much booze or recreational goodies!


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And I'm sure the authorities have all of the available info, for this ONGOING INVESTIGATION! There is a line between what can be shared with the public
during an investigation and what needs to be held back. You just never seem to understand that, obvious from other postings you've made. Guess you just need
to have all the graphics because you are a ghoul. Regardless, anyone that thinks this is fake news or conspiracy, etc., really needs to seek help because their
brains are obviously short circuited...maybe too much booze or recreational goodies!


It's an ongoing investigation and the authorities have already have determined that he was a "lone wolf" shooter?  


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Both the FBI and LVPD released info on and commented on the investigation into the motive of the shooter, but I have not heard mention of the logistics on how a 64 year old man was able to get 27 rifles and thousands of rounds of ammo into a Las Vegas Casino suite.  Did baggage handlers bring the gun luggage to his room, or did he bring it himself?  There has to be video of the entire process.  From the  gun luggage taken out of the vehicle, to the luggage entering the hotel, to the luggage being loaded on the elevator, to the luggage being dropped off at his room.   I'm sure you've been to a casino, besides the bathrooms and inside the hotel rooms, there are cameras EVERYWHERE.


You are certainly right about the cameras.  the FBI knows exactly how he got the stuff to his room but it may be a while before they tell you.  ( its a blueprint for anyone who wants to try something similar).
He may have gotten help from unknowing accomplices .
One  fbi/irs report said that he had 5 million dollars in winnings in 2015.  Which means he got treated pretty good. The casino employees knew who he was.


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It's an ongoing investigation and the authorities have already have determined that he was a "lone wolf" shooter?  

You are spreading FAKE NEWS! Lone wolf is still an unconfirmed "ASSumption"...typical Sissy!


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You are spreading FAKE NEWS! Lone wolf is still an unconfirmed "ASSumption"...typical Sissy!


sh*t!  I've been tricked by Washington Post fake news.

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Police said they believe Paddock was a “lone wolf” attacker, though they were still interested in speaking more with a woman named Marilou Danley who lived with him in Mesquite, Nev., a little more than an hour outside of Las Vegas on the Arizona border. Police had said they were searching for Danley, Paddock’s girlfriend, in the immediate aftermath of the shooting, but they later said she was outside the country — as of Monday afternoon, in Tokyo — and not involved in the shooting.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/w.....rip-due-to-shooting/


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DAMN!  The NYT has been spreading FAKE NEWS.

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Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department described Mr. Paddock as a “lone wolf” whose intentions had gone unnoticed by hotel staff members who had gone in and out of his room without detecting the trove of weapons.


https://mobile.nytimes.com/201.....ps://www.google.com/


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I think he acted alone, but not convinced yet until investigation completed.
Can't believe all of this was done solely by him and no one knew or helped in
any way. Interesting that they at still interrogating girlfriend! Maybe they aren't
convinced it was lone wolf!


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I think he acted alone, but not convinced yet until investigation completed.
Can't believe all of this was done solely by him and no one knew or helped in
any way. Interesting that they at still interrogating girlfriend! Maybe they aren't
convinced it was lone wolf!


Police felt it was ok to publicly make the ASSumption that he was a "lone wolf" before the investigation was complete.  Maybe the investigators are irresponsible keystone cops.


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Police felt it was ok to publicly make the ASSumption that he was a "lone wolf" before the investigation was complete.  Maybe the investigators are irresponsible keystone cops.


From YOUR quote:
"Police said they believe Paddock was a “lone wolf”..."
BELIEVE is not CONFIRM or WE ARE CONFIDENT HE ACTED ALONE!
I repeat, "I think he acted alone, but not convinced yet..."


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From YOUR quote:
"Police said they believe Paddock was a “lone wolf”..."
BELIEVE is not CONFIRM or WE ARE CONFIDENT HE ACTED ALONE!
I repeat, "I think he acted alone, but not convinced yet..."


Yes, that's what I said...The police made an ASSumption to two major newspapers.  Why speculate "lone wolf" to the media before the investigation was complete?  I'd say that's pretty irresponsible.


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Time to Pay Attention: Police Begin Making Massive Reversals in Official Vegas Narrative
Officials investigating the Las Vegas massacre have made some dramatic changes to the official narrative that completely change the perspective.


By Matt Agorist -  October 10, 2017


Las Vegas, NV — In an unprecedented reversal, police have dramatically changed their official story this week on how the massacre in Las Vegas unfolded. To be clear, the facts they changed are not some accidents due to mass chaos, ‘whoops we were just confused’, or ‘sorry we got that wrong’ — no, these were a complete reversal of official narratives already determined to be facts and released during press conferences.

The first major reversal in the narrative happened on Monday when officials changed their story to say Stephen Paddock shot a hotel security guard six minutes before he opened fire on the crowd of 22,000.

The official narrative — which TFTP has already given multiple reasons to doubt — was that Paddock shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest Festival, an assault that began at 10:05 p.m.



According to the first official timeline, Campos was shot in the leg while checking on an alarm. According to the original police-reported timeline, Paddock never fired on the crowd below again after shooting Campos.

But now, we are being told that is not what happened and we should believe their new story which is completely different. To be clear, this information was simple to find out as all they had to do was ask Campos who was only shot in the leg before he began shooting.

On Monday, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now didn’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.


According to the new report, as noted by the LA Times, Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite, which was outfitted with a camera to survey the hallway, as was a room service cart parked outside. Police said Paddock fired 200 rounds into the hallway.

Officials are now telling us that 200 shots were fired—6 minutes before Paddock opened fire on the crowd. There were witnesses who knew where they came from, and yet still, it took them over an hour to get into Paddock’s room.

Police claimed they were originally not in a hurry to get into Paddock’s room because the security guard halted the shooting. But now, according to them, this is not true.

Charles “Sid” Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff’s commander and tactical expert, told the Times that the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting.”

Had police actually responded to the numerous reports of gunfire inside the hotel room, before the massacre began, perhaps 58 people may still be alive.

Another glaring shift of narrative also happened on Monday when police changed their story about when Stephen Paddock got to Las Vegas.


For those who’ve been to Las Vegas, you know that it is a tightly run ship. If you walk anywhere inside or outside of these massive hotels, you know that your movement is being recorded on dozens of cameras and, perhaps, even under the watch of security personnel on the ground. Why then, with these major security and recording implementations in place, could police be wrong about when Paddock arrived at the hotel? Also, they could’ve simply confirmed this with the front desk.

In the press conference on Monday, after multiple other press conferences in which they claimed Paddock checked in on the 28th of September, police then changed the narrative again, this time, claiming Paddock actually check in on the 25th—three days earlier than they originally claimed.

What possible motive would police have for falsely claiming Paddock did not get to the room until the 28th, knowing full well that hotel records easily confirmed his arrival three days earlier? We cannot answer that question, we just know it happened.


To cover for his glaring inconsistencies in reporting and then changing the facts of the case, Lombardo then blamed the press.

“In [the press’s] zest for information, in my zest to ensure the public safety, in the calming their minds, some things are going to change. They are minute changes… [what was said before was] not completely inaccurate,” he said.

However, as was stated above, these are not some tiny changes that could’ve been overlooked. These are massive shifts in a narrative that raise serious concerns over what the public is being told in regards to the Vegas massacre.


In our coverage of this horrific tragedy, never has TFTP attempted to assert a motive, a falsehood, or any conspiracy theory. We have only asked questions. However, many people are opposed to asking these questions about the holes in the official story. This new information now shows that, if anything, we need to ask even more questions.


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/official-narrative-dramatically-changes-vegas/


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Jo ,bumble and cicero  are arguing a point that is pretty silly
I think Mandalay Bay has  begun bracing itself for an avalanche of lawsuits that may bring the company to its knees

The  six-minute delay between the shooting of Mandalay Bay security officer  Campos and the beginning of Paddock’s shooting rampage suggest “incompetence" on the part of Mandalay Bay


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Jo ,bumble and cicero  are arguing a point that is pretty silly
I think Mandalay Bay has  begun bracing itself for an avalanche of lawsuits that may bring the company to its knees

The  six-minute delay between the shooting of Mandalay Bay security officer  Campos and the beginning of Paddock’s shooting rampage suggest “incompetence" on the part of Mandalay Bay


Sorry, lone wolf versus possibly more involved is far from a silly point! I think it's
very important for authorities to factually determine if others were involved.

On another point asked about getting weapons to room, reported today that as a high roller
he was allowed to use service elevator and avoid the more scrutinized front elevators. It's
believed that's what he used to get all those weapons up to the room undetected. Guessing
no cameras to show that maybe.


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Jo ,bumble and cicero  are arguing a point that is pretty silly
I think Mandalay Bay has  begun bracing itself for an avalanche of lawsuits that may bring the company to its knees

The  six-minute delay between the shooting of Mandalay Bay security officer  Campos and the beginning of Paddock’s shooting rampage suggest “incompetence" on the part of Mandalay Bay


you can bet 'somebody' is gonna fall on the sword for this one.
they are already trying to get their stories straight...and are failing miserably at it!
folks aren't buying any of it.
there HAS to be a 'fall guy' in the end....even if it's a lie.


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