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Sorry, Mr. Jackson, he is for real.

Taking a stab at revisionist history, President Trump said in an interview Monday that he thinks former President Andrew Jackson would have been able to prevent the Civil War.

"Had Andrew Jackson been a little bit later, you wouldn't have had the Civil War," Trump told SiriusXMPolitics about the seventh President, who left office 24 years before, and died 16 years before, the onset of the American Civil War.

"He was a very tough person, but he had a big heart, and he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War," Trump said.

"He said, there's no reason for this. People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, you think about it, why? People don't ask that question," Trump continued. "But why was there the Civil War. Why would that one not have been worked out?"

Jackson was in office from 1829 to 1837 and died in 1845. The Civil War broke out 16 years after Jackson's death, on April 12, 1861, when Fort Sumter, in South Carolina, was attacked.

While divisions among pro- and anti-slavery elements in the young union were certainly already prevalent during the Jackson administration, there is zero evidence that Jackson had absolutely anything to do with the catastrophic U.S. conflict that would break out a full 24 years after he left office.

In addition, Jackson, a native of the Carolinas who began his political career in Tennessee, was a southerner at heart who owned slaves.

He was most well-known for forcing Native Americans from their homes in what became known as the Trail of Tears and for being a decorated veteran who served in the War of 1812.
Trump has been frequently compared to the former President, due to their shared their reputations as outsiders wanting to defy the political establishment, their populist styles, their reliance on advice from non-governmental officials (Jackson had a slate of advisers called the "Kitchen Cabinet") and their shared confrontational relationship with the media.

But despite a raft of unfavorable information about Jackson and his role in American history, Trump has nevertheless welcomed the comparison. He has hung a portrait of Jackson in the Oval Office and last month paid homage to Jackson by marking the seventh President's 250th birthday with a visit to his Tennessee home and final resting place.

Trump continued to embrace that comparison during his interview with SiriusXMPolitics.

"They said my campaign is most like ... like Andrew Jackson with his campaign," he told the satellite radio station, before launching into a story about the occasion when he learned of Jackson's political career.

"And I said, 'when was Andrew Jackson?' It was 1828. That's a long time ago," Trump said.

"That's Andrew Jackson. And he had a very, very mean and nasty campaign … Because they said this was the meanest and the nastiest. And unfortunately it continues," Trump said.

"His wife died," Trump added, referring to the 1828 death of Rachel Jackson, whose demise historians have, in fact, credited in part to the stress of the election.

"They destroyed his wife and she died," he said.

"And you know, he was a swashbuckler," Trump continued. "But when your wife died, you know, he visited her grave every day."

Trump's eye-popping history gaffe, however, is far from his first.

In February, during a White House listening session with African-American leaders in honor of Black History Month, he appeared to not understand that Frederick Douglass, the famous slave-turned-abolitionist, had died long ago.

"Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who's done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more, I notice," he said.

Weeks later, at a GOP fundraiser, he appeared to suggest that he hadn't known, until recently, that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.

"Great President. Most people don't even know he was a Republican, right? Does anyone know?" he said.
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Pathetic!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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what is the point of this article?
where did it come from?
link?


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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I don't understand?  He said if Andrew Jackson had been a little bit later, he feels he could had prevented the civil war.  That would be the equivalent as saying if Jimmy Carter was a little bit later, he could have prevented the invasion of Iraq.

Trump's a moron, but his opinion on how he believes a former president would have handled waging war doesn't rank high on the list of moronic things he has done.


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what is the point of this article?
where did it come from?
link?

point?  It is all over the news about these ridiculous comments, so this is basic transcript
For you not to understand the point is pretty sad!

where did it come from? from the lips of your POTUS

link? source was included

DUH!!!!


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the link?
fake or real news?
mis-quoted?
fact or truth?

i'm not a trump fan....but i am even less of a MSM fan.

could trump's analogy been correct?
how does anyone prove it?
just trump's opinion?

just sayin'


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point?  It is all over the news about these ridiculous comments, so this is basic transcript
For you not to understand the point is pretty sad!

where did it come from? from the lips of your POTUS

link? source was included

DUH!!!!


What makes it ridiculous?  


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joey.....it's just like saying that we nuked the hell out of japan....supposedly.....to save more lives.

that was mere speculation with no FACT or TRUTH behind it.

that is what WE THE PEOPLE were sold/told via the MSM!


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here ya go joey....in case you didn't know.****link provided**** http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?125433-Real-reasons-for-the-Civil-War
almost sounds like 'today'....yes?




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Real reasons for the Civil War:
This is well-reasoned document concerning the reasons the Civil War occurred.

Many people think the Civil War of 1860-1865 was fought over one issue alone, slavery. Nothing could actually be further from the truth. The War Between the States began because the South demanded States' rights and were not getting them.

The Congress at that time heavily favored the industrialized northern states to the point of demanding that the South sell is cotton and other raw materials only to the factories in the north, rather than to other countries. The Congress also taxed the finished materials that the northern industries produced heavily, making finished products that the South wanted, unaffordable. The Civil War should not have occurred. If the Northern States and their representatives in Congress had only listened to the problems of the South, and stopped these practices that were almost like the taxation without representation of Great Britain, then the Southern states would not have seceded and the war would not have occurred.

I know for many years, we have been taught that the Civil War was all about the abolition of slavery, but this truly did not become a major issue, with the exception of John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry, until after the Battle of Antietam in September 1862, when Abraham Lincoln decided to free the slaves in the Confederate States in order to punish those states for continuing the war effort. The war had been in progress for two years by that time.

Most southerners did not even own slaves nor did they own plantations. Most of them were small farmers who worked their farms with their families. They were fighting for their rights. They were fighting to maintain their lifestyle and their independence the way they wanted to without the United States Government dictating to them how they should behave.


Why are we frequently taught then, that the Civil War, War of Northern Aggression, War Between the States, or whatever you want to call it, was solely about slavery? That is because the history books are usually written by the winners of a war and this war was won by the Union. However, after following my family around since I was just a year old to Civil War Living History scenarios in Gettysburg and elsewhere, I have listened to both sides of the story, from those portraying historical figures, both Union and Confederate. Through listening to these people and also reading many different books, including some of the volumes of The Official Records of the Civil War, Death in September, The Insanity of It All, Every Day Life During the Civil War, and many others, I have come to the conclusion that the Civil War was about much more than abolishing the institution of slavery.

It was more about preserving the United States and protecting the rights of the individual, the very tenets upon which this country was founded. I personally think that the people who profess that the Civil War was only fought about slavery have not read their history books. I really am glad that slavery was abolished, but I don't think it should be glorified as being the sole reason the Civil War was fought. There are so many more issues that people were intensely passionate about at the time. Slavery was one of them, but it was not the primary cause of the war. The primary causes of the war were economics and states' rights.

Slavery was a part of those greater issues, but it was not the reason the Southern States seceded from the Union, nor fought the Civil War. It certainly was a Southern institution that was part of the economic system of the plantations, and because of that, it was part and parcel of the economic reasons that the South formed the Confederacy. The economic issue was one of taxation and being able to sell cotton and other raw materials where the producers wanted to, rather than where they were forced to, and at under inflated prices. Funny, it sounds very much like the reason we broke from Great Britain to begin with. The South was within their rights, but there should have been another way to solve the problem. If they had been willing to listen to Abraham Lincoln, perhaps the war could have been avoided. Lincoln had a plan to gradually free the slaves without it further hurting the plantation owners. He also had a plan to allow them to sell their products anywhere they wanted to and at a fair price. They did not choose to listen to the President, however, so they formed the Confederacy and the Civil War began.


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What makes it ridiculous?  

Read the article again, the comments attributed to POTUS about Jackson and the timeline!


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here ya go joey....in case you didn't know.****link provided**** http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?125433-Real-reasons-for-the-Civil-War
almost sounds like 'today'....yes?





Well Dumbler...the article is not about the underlying cause of the civil war itself, but
the associations POTUS spoke about with the references to Jackson....DUH!!!!!

You people are unbelievable...Posted article about comments by Trump and his references to Jackson,
which have been a topic on "all" news channels.  Nothing about the cause of the war, yet you and Cicero
can't see the issue or want to discuss the cause of the Civil War...really? Comprehension??????



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Read the article again, the comments attributed to POTUS about Jackson and the timeline!


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"Had Andrew Jackson been a little bit later, you wouldn't have had the Civil War," Trump told SiriusXMPolitics about the seventh President, who left office 24 years before, and died 16 years before, the onset of the American Civil War.


I read it to mean that if Andrew Jackson HAD been president during the lead up to the Civil War, his opinion is Jackson would have avoided it.  Just like saying if Cater was President during the lead up to the Iraq War it would have been avoided.  Carter was president 23 years prior to the Iraq War, it doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on how you think Carter would have responded to the Iraq WMD threat and the invasion of Iraq.  I think it's safe to say Carter wouldn't have invaded Iraq.

Is it contraversial to believe that Carter would have handled Iraq different than Bush?


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I read it to mean that if Andrew Jackson HAD been president during the lead up to the Civil War, his opinion is Jackson would have avoided it.  Just like saying if Cater was President during the lead up to the Iraq War it would have been avoided.  Carter was president 23 years prior to the Iraq War, it doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on how you think Carter would have responded to the Iraq WMD threat and the invasion of Iraq.  I think it's safe to say Carter wouldn't have invaded Iraq.

Is it contraversial to believe that Carter would have handled Iraq different than Bush?
What's ridiculous and dumb is that the 45th President of the US, makes these absurd and stupid comments that are an embarrassment, and show just how clueless this jerk really is.
He continues to believe that just because HE says something, then it's the truth and fact.
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"He was a very tough person, but he had a big heart, and he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War,"
Trump said. "He said, there's no reason for this."
Jackson left office 24 years before, and died 16 years before, the onset of the American Civil War
You don't find that in the least bit "dumb" of Trump????


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What's ridiculous and dumb is that the 45th President of the US, makes these absurd and stupid comments that are an embarrassment, and show just how clueless this jerk really is.
He continues to believe that just because HE says something, then it's the truth and fact.
Jackson left office 24 years before, and died 16 years before, the onset of the American Civil War
You don't find that in the least bit "dumb" of Trump????


I agree it was stupid to say.  But that's because he should know the historical ignorance of the American people.  Americans don't know the lead up to the Civil War began way before 1860.  The missouri compromise was in 1820, which was over federal balance of power between slave and non slave states.  Trump shouldnt expect the average American to know about South Carolina passing the ordinance of nullification in 1832 that nullified the Tariff of 1832, or that Jackson called the nullification rebellious treason.  He sure as hell should know 99.9% of Americans know nothing about the Congress passing the Force Bill, which authorized President Andrew Jackson to use the Federal Army to collect the Tariffs.  For most Americans, they believe the Civil War started in 1861 at Fort Sumter.

Trump should know the level of American ignorance of history.


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The Proclamation to the People of South Carolina was written by Edward Livingston and issued by Andrew Jackson on December 10, 1832. Written at the height of the Nullification Crisis, the proclamation directly responds to the Ordinance of Nullification passed by the South Carolina legislature in November 1832.[1] Its purpose was to subdue the Nullification Crisis created by South Carolina’s ordinance and to denounce the doctrine of nullification.

The proclamation outlines the actions taken by the South Carolina legislature and rejects the insistence on state sovereignty, focusing on the preservation of the Union as the primary issue. It declares nullification to be "incompatible with the existence of the Union, contradicted expressly by the letter of the Constitution, unauthorized by its spirit, inconsistent with every principle on which It was founded, and destructive of the great object for which it was formed.”[2] The proclamation also appeals to citizens to resist the violation of the constitution.[3


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