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Correct me if i'm wrong here.........but I thought it was against the law to mandate a 'district tax' without a vote from the people of that district!!!
the town had a vote for sewers when time warner was moving in and the residents voted it down then.
back then, if I recall, the town HAD to put it up for a vote FIRST!!!



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Residents seek public vote on Hamburg Street Sewer District

By Kate Seckinger   March 1, 2016  




ROTTERDAM — A little more than two weeks after the Rotterdam Town Board decided to go ahead with constructing the much-discussed Hamburg Street Sewer District, residents who live in the proposed district are rallying to stop the project.

Corey Augusta, one of the 137 property owners within the district, began circulating a petition Monday night to try to get the decision put to a vote by the affected residents. The district’s construction is projected to cost homeowners thousands.

The sewer district would consist of all properties immediately adjacent to Hamburg Street between the existing railway tracks running parallel to Chrisler Avenue to the intersection of Hamburg Street and Curry Road.

All developed properties in the district are required to connect once the system is complete, which is expected to be spring 2018.

The estimated maximum cost of the wastewater project is $4.17 million, which the town plans to bond for over 30 years, and would cost property owners in the district a minimum of about $1,800 its first year.

The town charges a one-time $35 sewer lateral inspection fee, and a $500 sewer connection fee per dwelling unit, or average single-family home.

The sewer connection fee for a business is $1,000.

The projected cost is $1,204 for a home that uses the average 75,000 gallons per year, which would be charged to the user until the town’s 30-year bond was paid off.


“This is a lot of money for middle-class people,” Augusta said Monday. “Those costs aren’t to mention digging up my septic and my waste lines, which run away from Hamburg Street.”

On Feb. 10, the board unanimously voted to move the Hamburg Sewer District project forward. Town Supervisor Steve Tommasone and the board members agreed that while the project is expensive for residents, sewers are necessary to improve an area of town that’s starting to deteriorate.

Tommasone said the annual cost of $1,204 will likely decrease as more users connect to the sewer system over time, and would go down if the town gets grant money from the state for the project.

“The project will offer tremendous economic benefits to the businesses and the property owners along Hamburg Street,” Tommasone said Monday. “I feel compassionate about what’s going on for the residents, but I feel passionate about making the town a better place and bringing more tax base there.

“If they [the residents] are able to stop the sewer project, we will not be able to apply for grant money for a project that has been disqualified,” he added. “Most importantly, there will be no opportunity for a sewer line there probably ever.”

But Augusta said “[the town] thinks by doing this, we’ll upgrade the town commercial tax base, but I’m not so sure the sewer is the answer to what’s ailing Rotterdam,” Augusta said.

Over the past week, Augusta and fellow resident Victor Murdock have attempted to find out the necessary requirements to make a petition against the district acceptable to the town, including the number of signatures needed to force a public vote, the amount of time before deadline, where to file it and other issues.

Town Clerk Diane Marco referred them to Town Attorney Kate McGuirl, who said it would be unethical for her to give the residents legal advice.

“The Rules of Professional Conduct … dictates ethically why I cannot advise residents opposed to the sewer district and what I must do to fulfill my obligations under the ethics code,” McGuirl said in a statement to The Gazette on Tuesday.

McGuirl said she recommended the residents contact the Schenectady Board of Elections and the state Comptroller’s Office for direction.

Uncertain how to progress, Augusta said he received an anonymous letter in the mail from a fellow town resident who filed a petition with the town a few years’ back that gave him some direction.

The letter said a valid petition would need 5 percent of the number of property owners in the district to sign the petition, which is seven signatures, and the deadline to file is 30 days from the vote.

“They won’t give us a straight answer and are coming up with road blocks every way we turn,” Augusta said of town officials he’s asked for help. “We’ve also reached out to the Schenectady Board of Elections and the state Comptroller’s Office for more guidance, but we haven’t heard a response yet.”

Without much time to waste, Augusta circulated the petition Monday evening and said he quickly got 10 signatures of property owners in the district on a petition form provided by the town clerk.

Augusta said he filed the petition with Marco on Tuesday, but said town officials hinted it still would not be accepted in its current form.

“From what I understand, we have 30 days to act,” Augusta said Tuesday. “I turned in what I had, hoping if they reject it, they’ll tell me why and we can re-do it correctly.

“If we go to a vote and it passes, I promise to shut up after that,” he added. “I just don’t want it only being voted on by five people who are risking and paying nothing for it.”

http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2016/mar/01/0201_rotterdam/?dgzrg


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From what I read when the Town Board created the Hamburg Street sewer district they are using a "permissive referendum" clause which requires no vote of residents. Residents must submit a petition, in a timely fashion, to force a vote  or it will just become a new district with all the costs as stated by the town board. Correct me if I read it incorrectly.
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From what I read when the Town Board created the Hamburg Street sewer district they are using a "permissive referendum" clause which requires no vote of residents. Residents must submit a petition, in a timely fashion, to force a vote  or it will just become a new district with all the costs as stated by the town board. Correct me if I read it incorrectly.


this is all bullsh!t!!!!
I can not believe that they would slap this kind of a tax burden on the ROTTENdamianas......ESPECIALLY IN THIS ECONOMY!!!
O-M-G!!!!

Well...all I can say is that I certainly hope that all those effected voted for S.TUMBLEZONE!!!...ENJOY!


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The loss of potential property tax income from the underdeveloped commercial corridors (Route 146 is only one of them) in town is of greater concern.  These commercial corridors will remain underdeveloped as long as they don't have 20th century (sewer lines) and 21st Century infrastructure in place.  Taxes in Rotterdam are much higher because the commercial/business properties haven't been able to be built out to their potential.  

It is time to bring the town into the 21st century from the late 19th century ... these sewer lines will at least move one corridor into the mid 20th century.  Then, we will have to keep "moving the ball" further down the field to get to where we really need to be.


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  Taxes in Rotterdam are much higher because the commercial/business properties haven't been able to be built out to their potential.  

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that is just all bullcrap!!!!
the more money the powers that be collect....the more money they have to give to the cops and their other cronies.
again..........FORCING this kind of tax burden on these taxpayers is beyond shameful!!
an absolute shameful embarrassment!!!

perhaps there are developers from the friends and family club waiting in the wings...eh?

actually....most folks think hamburg st looks fine just the way it is!!


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that is just all bullcrap!!!!
the more money the powers that be collect....the more money they have to give to the cops and their other cronies.
again..........FORCING this kind of tax burden on these taxpayers is beyond shameful!!
an absolute shameful embarrassment!!!

perhaps there are developers from the friends and family club waiting in the wings...eh?

actually....most folks think hamburg st looks fine just the way it is!!


Actually, It isn't crap. It is true.  The municipalities with the lower tax rates - are the municipalities with a better ratio of developed commercial/retail properties to residential properties than Rotterdam has.  Furthermore, Rotterdam is one of the few municipalities in the nation with the benefit of half dozen Interstate exists within its boundaries and NONE of them are developed to their potential.   ---- Why? Because of the backward thinking of so many of Rotterdam's "leaders" who refused to push for the necessary infrastructure improvements (like sewers) over the years.  
Personally, I think it is shameful that a handful of politicians with their heads in the sand have failed to do what was good for ALL of the taxpayers in the town --- that is, bringing the town from the 19th century into the 20th and now, the 21st century.  
I don't buy your statement that "most folks think Hamburg Street looks fine just the way it is" argument.  I know many folks throughout the  town who think its embarrassing that the Hamburg Street corridor is stuck in the 60's ... the 1860's.
As for your constant ax to grind against the police department and the figment of your imagination "friends and family club," let's just say that I've seen more bullshit in your posts than in a slurry pit at a dairy farm with a couple hundred head of cattle.





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Personally, I think it is shameful that a handful of politicians with their heads in the sand have failed to do what was good for ALL of the taxpayers in the town ---


we don't live under a dictatorship......or perhaps we do.

'we the people' know what is good for 'we the people'.

not the same government that has created the mess this country is in...collectively.

if we lived in a democracy....ROTTENdamians would be allowed to vote for this sewer district.

not FORCED to pay for something they don't want and/or can't afford......just like OBAMACARE!!!

FORCED taxation on one's OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY....with out the 'right to vote' is shameful, sad and more proof of the socialist country we live in....even at a local level.  


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Town Clerk Diane Marco referred them to Town Attorney Kate McGuirl, who said it would be unethical for her to give the residents legal advice.

“The Rules of Professional Conduct … dictates ethically why I cannot advise residents opposed to the sewer district and what I must do to fulfill my obligations under the ethics code,” McGuirl said in a statement to The Gazette on Tuesday.

McGuirl said she recommended the residents contact the Schenectady Board of Elections and the state Comptroller’s Office for direction.


When are they going to get rid of this worthless excuse for an attorney. Ethics this woman has no ethics and has a mouth like sewer. I have never heard someone so unprofessional in all my life.
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When are they going to get rid of this worthless excuse for an attorney. Ethics this woman has no ethics and has a mouth like sewer. I have never heard someone so unprofessional in all my life.


The fact is that Ms. McGuirl is an excellent attorney and has always acted with the highest level of professionalism.  Beyond that she is a very good and decent person who certainly doesn't deserve to be treated badly by the likes of you.
In regards to the topic of this thread, she has and is acting professionally and well within the appropriate boundaries in her role as Town Attorney.  The Town Attorney serves to provide legal counsel to the Town Board (and other official bodies/offices of the Town of Rotterdam) and to represent the town in legal actions.  It would be quite unprofessional for her to break the appropriate boundaries by giving legal counsel to a party or parties on matters that might end up in legal action against the Town of Rotterdam.


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we don't live under a dictatorship......or perhaps we do.

'we the people' know what is good for 'we the people'.

not the same government that has created the mess this country is in...collectively.

if we lived in a democracy....ROTTENdamians would be allowed to vote for this sewer district.

not FORCED to pay for something they don't want and/or can't afford......just like OBAMACARE!!!

FORCED taxation on one's OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY....with out the 'right to vote' is shameful, sad and more proof of the socialist country we live in....even at a local level.  


Using your own argument:  Why should all the tax payers pay for brush/leaf/lawn debris/christmas tree pick-up by the town?  Those of us who find our own way - such as mulching it ourselves - shouldn't have to pay for it.  

I think the town has been held hostage to the enemies of progress for too many decades.  Bringing our infrastructure into the 20th century (from the 19th century) is an important step in the right direction.  It is the only way to get the kind of good economic development that we need to grow the commercial/business tax base which would then provide relief for the taxpayers who own residential properties.


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I think the town has been held hostage to the enemies of progress for too many decades.  Bringing our infrastructure into the 20th century (from the 19th century) is an important step in the right direction.  It is the only way to get the kind of good economic development that we need to grow the commercial/business tax base which would then provide relief for the taxpayers who own residential properties.


no one is being held hostage EXCEPT the taxpayers by being FORCED to pay taxes on their PRIVATE PROPERTY for something they don't want and don't even have a voice/vote in.

it's clearly NOT a democracy when taxes are FORCED on the already struggling taxpayer....especially when we are in an unstable economic downturn with NO JOBS!!!

and it is a sad day when the taxpayers are referred to as ENEMIES!!!

STEVE TOMMASONE has clearly reached a new low!!!!

SHAMEFUL isn't words enough!!!!


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no one is being held hostage EXCEPT the taxpayers by being FORCED to pay taxes on their PRIVATE PROPERTY for something they don't want and don't even have a voice/vote in.

it's clearly NOT a democracy when taxes are FORCED on the already struggling taxpayer....especially when we are in an unstable economic downturn with NO JOBS!!!

and it is a sad day when the taxpayers are referred to as ENEMIES!!!

STEVE TOMMASONE has clearly reached a new low!!!!

SHAMEFUL isn't words enough!!!!


You really don't get it or are pretending not to understand (because I don't think anyone is really that clueless .. but you have me thinking that I might be wrong on that).  You insist on sticking your head in the sand and pretending it is 1816 and not 2016 as far as necessary infrastructure which enables good development of commercial properties to occur that then enables thetax burden on residential properties to be relieved/reduced.  So I won't try to explain.

Frankly, I think it is shameful that folks like you hold up progress.  Progress that would lead to economic development that would create job, relieve tax burdens, improve the quality of life for everyone and -- in the case of public sewers .. be much better/healthier for the environment and everyone.


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DV I notice that this sewer project won't cost you a dime, as always you seem to have no trouble increasing someone else's taxes. The final say on the sewer project should be only the people who are going to be in the sewer district and have to pay the taxes on it.
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DV I notice that this sewer project won't cost you a dime, as always you seem to have no trouble increasing someone else's taxes. The final say on the sewer project should be only the people who are going to be in the sewer district and have to pay the taxes on it.


EXACTLY!! We know folks who live in that area and this forced tax increase is going to be  a tremendous hardship for some of them.
again i say..........calling these taxpayers the 'enemy' is the ultimate for of government control...pathetic.


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DV I notice that this sewer project won't cost you a dime, as always you seem to have no trouble increasing someone else's taxes. The final say on the sewer project should be only the people who are going to be in the sewer district and have to pay the taxes on it.


What you refuse to understand is that the lack of sewers on Hamburg Street is keeping necessary and good commercial economic development from occurring along that corridor.  As a result property taxes are higher for ALL residential property tax payers in ALL of the town.  The whole town shouldn't be held back from moving into the 21st century just because of a few folks who are content to live in the 19th century.


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