When someone is susp. with pay then subsequently found guilty of the charge, why they are allowed to keep their pay from the point of suspension.   Must be a Union thing.   One would think that they must return the money that was paid to them during the suspension once guilt is established.   Thoughts?

yes they should have to return the $$$$.....but it depends what is stated in the contract....would be my guess.

Like it or not, the simple answer to the question is:  We live in a society where one is innocent until proven guilty and has a Constitutional right to due process (unless one is unborn and then the extremist liberals don't care about you and your rights) therefore a person can not have his or her wages taken away solely because he or she has been accused of something.  

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Like it or not, the simple answer to the question is:  We live in a society where one is innocent until proven guilty and has a Constitutional right to due process (unless one is unborn and then the extremist liberals don't care about you and your rights) therefore a person can not have his or her wages taken away solely because he or she has been accused of something.  

Really?  We live in an at-will state.  The constitution enumerates nothing that prevents the firing, or unpaid suspension of an at-will employee.

I actually know a large employer in the capital district that will terminate an employee if a warrant is served to an employee during the employee's shift.  No due process needed.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Like it or not, the simple answer to the question is:  We live in a society where one is innocent until proven guilty and has a Constitutional right to due process (unless one is unborn and then the extremist liberals don't care about you and your rights) therefore a person can not have his or her wages taken away solely because he or she has been accused of something.  

Interesting that you post about a "PERSON" when obviously an embryo is not a person.
People have rights... those who are not people not so much.  Unless you consider the Republican view
as what constitutes PEOPLE... any corporation!  

Quoted from CICERO

Really?  We live in an at-will state.  The constitution enumerates nothing that prevents the firing, or unpaid suspension of an at-will employee.

I actually know a large employer in the capital district that will terminate an employee if a warrant is served to an employee during the employee's shift.  No due process needed.

Public employees are protected.  Private employees should be, too.  I would say that the "large employer" who does what you are saying that they do - is un-American.  The right to due process is very explicitly in the U.S. Constitution.  EVERYONE should be able to enjoy the protection of ALL of the rights contained in our nation's Constitution.  Barry Goldwater was right on the mark when he talked about defending liberty and Constitutional rights in America.  So was Ronald Reagan.

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Interesting that you post about a "PERSON" when obviously an embryo is not a person.
People have rights... those who are not people not so much.  Unless you consider the Republican view
as what constitutes PEOPLE... any corporation!  

A fertilized human embryo is a human person.  
(from LiveStrong.com - hardly a conservative or Republican source)
"The development of a human baby in the womb is divided up into three trimesters.
First Trimester
The first trimester, which occurs over the first three months, or weeks 0 to 13 as counted from the mother's last menstrual period. During the first few weeks of this time, the egg is fertilized, starts dividing and implants into the mother's uterus. After implantation, the ball of cells changes into an embryo as the heart, circulatory system and nervous system begin to form. Some of the cells from the original ball of cells become the supporting tissues, such as the amniotic sac that surrounds the baby and the placenta and umbilical cord that pass blood between baby and mother. By the end of the first trimester, the limbs, facial features, genitals and all major body structures have formed and the baby has begun to move, although it can't be felt yet. The baby transitions from being called an embryo to a fetus at this stage.
Second Trimester
The second trimester starts at week 14 and lasts until week 26. The baby's growth in the womb takes it from about 6 inches and 4 oz. at the start of the second trimester to about 14 inches and 2 1/2 lbs. by the end. Details such as fingerprints, eyelashes and fingernails form during this trimester. The baby forms protective coverings during this trimester, such as a fine coating of hair called lanugo and a cheese-like substance called vernix that protects the fetus from the surrounding amniotic fluid. The movements of the baby become stronger as he practices stretching and contracting his muscles and moves around inside the womb.
Third Trimester
From week 27 until the end of pregnancy is considered the third trimester. At this stage, all of the major development has been completed and the baby could potentially survive outside the womb, even at the start of the third trimester. Over the course of this trimester, the brain continues to develop, the bones start to calcify and the lungs mature. The fetus will occasionally develop hiccups as he practices breathing by moving amniotic fluid in and out of his lungs. The baby will also put on fat rapidly, which fills out his skin and makes it less red and wrinkled, and he will open his eyes, which have been closed since the early part of the second trimester. At the end of the third trimester, the baby will turn head down and prepare for his upcoming birth. By the day of birth, he will weigh between 6 to 10 lbs. and be between 19 and 21 inches long."
At no point does a human embryo become anything else (like a carrot or a petunia or a  .. it remains a growing human in the womb.   The pro-choice argument that a human embryo is not a human -- is just a classic example of IGNORANCE and DENYING PROVEN SCIENCE.

The concept of "Corporate Personhood" dates back hundreds of years in British and American Jurisprudence. It is NOT a Republican nor a Democratic idea.  It has been an accepted part of the legal system in our nation and most nations for hundreds of years.

89-92% of all abortions happen during the first trimester, prior to the 13th week of
gestation  Pretty much you are referring to a blob of cells. NOT A HUMAN BEING.
(AGI/CDC).
In 2012, 7.2% of all abortions occurred between 14-20 weeks' gestation;
The blob of cells has now grown to weigh between 1 1/2 ounces to 10 ounces.  
Not a viable fetus and a long way from being a human being.

1.3%  occurred ≥21 weeks' gestation.  YES 1.3%
(CDC).
Often these are diseased or not viable fetus or the abortion is necessary because of an
accident or the risk to the life of the mother.  

So when you read about "Babies" being aborted, the vast majority... all but 1 or 2 % are not
a "baby" at all, but instead a fetus that may some day become a human being.  
Once again:

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Public employees are protected.  Private employees should be, too.  I would say that the "large employer" who does what you are saying that they do - is un-American.  The right to due process is very explicitly in the U.S. Constitution.  EVERYONE should be able to enjoy the protection of ALL of the rights contained in our nation's Constitution.  Barry Goldwater was right on the mark when he talked about defending liberty and Constitutional rights in America.  So was Ronald Reagan.

Then every private employer should scrap their HR department and every charge of sexual harassment, theft, and workplace violence should go through the courts.  As of now, employers investigate and issue discipline internally.

So you, as a private employer, would suspend WITH PAY, an employee that you are 99% sure stole money from the register, until they had their day in court?   You would hire another cashier to replace the suspended one that is waiting for a court hearing?  Then if the court finds the cashier not guilty, you would now employ two cashiers?(very generous)  Or would you allow the cashier that you are 99% sure stole money from the register to continue working for you until the cashier has their day in court?

Quoted from CICERO

I actually know a large employer in the capital district that will terminate an employee if a warrant is served to an employee during the employee's shift.  No due process needed.

happens more often than not in the private sector.

i know some...personally.

Wait - when did this turn into an abortion issue?  Ron??

Quoted from HarryP

Wait - when did this turn into an abortion issue?  Ron??

The unborn need the rights granted to public employees.  They need to be able to suspend abortion with pay.

Quoted from HarryP

Wait - when did this turn into an abortion issue?  Ron??

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Like it or not, the simple answer to the question is:  We live in a society where one is
innocent until proven guilty and has a Constitutional right to due process
(unless one is unborn and then the extremist liberals don't care about you and your rights)
therefore a person can not have his or her wages taken away solely because he or she has been
accused of something.  

Unborn humans deserve - at least - the same right to due process as public employees who have been accused of a crime.
In the case of the accused public employee - they can't have lose their pay unless convicted.
In the case of the unborn human - they lose their life because some spine-less, limp-wrist politicians and jurists gave women the anti-constitutional "right" to be judge, jury and executioner when it comes to the child in their womb.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Unborn humans deserve - at least - the same right to due process as public employees who have been accused of a crime.
In the case of the accused public employee - they can't have lose their pay unless convicted.
In the case of the unborn human - they lose their life because some spine-less, limp-wrist politicians and jurists gave women the anti-constitutional "right" to be judge, jury and executioner when it comes to the child in their womb.

  Wait !!   Slow this ride down !!      Constitutional Rights ??  Due Process ??  We're Talking Politicians here ??