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To those atheists who hate Christianity and Christmas and for those extremists who think a picture on a coffee cup is worth fighting over:
May Rudolf and the 8 reindeer sh*t in your Keurig -- at least it will taste better than Starbuck's coffee.

The rest of us will keep Christmas in our hearts and exercise our Constitutional rights to worship and proclaim the birth of our Savior publicly.  We will also fight the more important battles in regard to our religious liberty but a cup isn't worth fighting over.


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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
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Merry Christmas everyone


We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.   Funny how that works.
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Christmas...
That time of year when those with little or no money are forced to buy buy buy on credit to "celebrate" a  day that
should involve the birth of Christ, but instead is centered around $$$.
Those "christmas" credit bills will usually be paid off by October... when it starts all over again.

Christmas is a scam of big business forced on the American public.
The solution?  Celebrate the birth of Christ, not the bottom line at Walmart.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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A rare occasion when Bumbler and I agree.
Starbucks coffee sucks.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Christmas...
That time of year when those with little or no money are forced to buy buy buy on credit to "celebrate" a  day that
should involve the birth of Christ,


Forced? How are they "forced"?
Does someone have a gun to their head...or their family?
Are they "forced" to buy presents just like they are "forced" to buy lotto tickets, or take/sell drugs, or get tattoos???

They're not....Presents and ALL the above are choices..


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Christmas...
That time of year when those with little or no money are forced to buy buy buy on credit to "celebrate" a  day that
should involve the birth of Christ, but instead is centered around $$$.
Those "christmas" credit bills will usually be paid off by October... when it starts all over again.

Christmas is a scam of big business forced on the American public.
The solution?  Celebrate the birth of Christ, not the bottom line at Walmart.


I agree with everything....EXCEPT.....no one is a victim here.

no one is FORCED to buy anything.

they are just plain stupid and fall for the commercialism scam!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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no one is FORCED to buy anything.



Except health insurance


We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.   Funny how that works.
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Except health insurance


BINGO!!!


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Except health insurance


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BINGO!!!


So...
Q.    Who paid for their health insurance before these people were FORCED to pay for
their own???
A.    You and I of course.  Before ObamaCare, anyone with out health care insurance would
end up at a hospital ER and be treated for the flu or for a sprained ankle, or for pneumonia,
or for most other illnesses.
Isn't it better that THEY pay for their health care bills,
instead of WE pay for their health care bills?



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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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So...
Q.    Who paid for their health insurance before these people were FORCED to pay for
their own???
A.    You and I of course.  Before ObamaCare, anyone with out health care insurance would
end up at a hospital ER and be treated for the flu or for a sprained ankle, or for pneumonia,
or for most other illnesses.

Isn't it better that THEY pay for their health care bills,
instead of WE pay for their health care bills?



And you think that still doesn't happen? Ask any ER nurse or Doc if they have seen a significant dropoff in it...
And the majority (recently insured) that "pay" for insurance, actually don't... they end up on medicaid..which means we are still paying for it.

Like I've  said from the start, giving everyone health insurance is not a bad thing, but it will cost all of us more.
I just got word from my employer that my rates are going up 8.5% this year, which is in the range of the increases before ObamaCare.... the only ones that aren't having their rates go up are ones who never paid for it anyway.


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And you think that still doesn't happen? Ask any ER nurse or Doc if they have seen a significant dropoff in it...
And the majority (recently insured) that "pay" for insurance, actually don't... they end up on medicaid..which means we are still paying for it.

Like I've  said from the start, giving everyone health insurance is not a bad thing, but it will cost all of us more.
I just got word from my employer that my rates are going up 8.5% this year, which is in the range of the increases before ObamaCare.... the only ones that aren't having their rates go up are ones who never paid for it anyway.


"The ones who never pay anything anyway???"
You mean like YOU AND I if our life had turned out differently?
If you had a serious illness, or accident that left you unable to work... wouldn't you be one of
those "The ones who never pay anything anyway???"

ObamaCare took those who could not pay out of the ER and put them into a doctor's office.
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Average expenses for people who had one or more visits to the Emergency Room
were $1390 in 2012, according to the Medical Expenditure Panel Survey (MEPS). Median,
or typical, cost was $713.For people ages 45 to 64, the cost was substantially higher on
average ($1851).


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"The ones who never pay anything anyway???"
You mean like YOU AND I if our life had turned out differently?
If you had a serious illness, or accident that left you unable to work... wouldn't you be one of
those "The ones who never pay anything anyway???"


ObamaCare took those who could not pay out of the ER and put them into a doctor's office.


Ummm, no because as part of my benefits package I have short and long term disability which includes medical coverage...But that's not the point and not what I am stating...

The fact of the matter is, whether you want to face it or not, is there is a certain segment of our population that does NOT pay for medical care.

Your assumption is anyone that now has medical care will go the Doctors office and not the ER for a non-life threatening issue.....sorry, but not all do... whether be by habit or some other reason.... My cousin is an ER nurse (and a democrat) and a family friend is a Doc...they both say the same thing... many WITH medical coverage go to the ER for something they shouldn't simply because they don't want to wait until Monday or the morning....


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Ummm, no because as part of my benefits package I have short and long term disability which includes medical coverage...But that's not the point and not what I am stating...

The fact of the matter is, whether you want to face it or not, is there is a certain segment of our population that does NOT pay for medical care.

Your assumption is anyone that now has medical care will go the Doctors office and not the ER for a non-life threatening issue.....sorry, but not all do... whether be by habit or some other reason.... My cousin is an ER nurse (and a democrat) and a family friend is a Doc...they both say the same thing... many WITH medical coverage go to the ER for something they shouldn't simply because they don't want to wait until Monday or the morning....


No doubt that is true.  Those who have never had medical coverage might not know that the best
cheapest and shortest way for medical coverage is at the DR office, not the ER.





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No doubt that is true.  Those who have never had medical coverage might not know that the best
cheapest and shortest way for medical coverage is at the DR office, not the ER.





Just like the simplest way to avoid having an abortion is to not get pregnant in the first place...universal birth control will do more for poor women (and men) economically than just about anything I can think of. What chance does a 20 year old  woman have with 4 kids? But, like the Doctor's office/ER thing, this must be pushed in the schools...


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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