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Kids?  HUH!
You'd think a nation as great as ours can find a way to keep guns out of the hands of KIDS!


Yes...follow the model that keeps drugs and alcohol out of kids hands.  It works great!  Prohibition works great.

BTW...the GUY was 21 years old.


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Yes...follow the model that keeps drugs and alcohol out of kids hands.  It works great!  Prohibition works great.

BTW...the GUY was 21 years old.


According to Bumbler... He was a KID!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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According to Bumbler... He was a KID!


Unfortunately based on obamacare, childhood has been extended to 26 years old.  So in one sense Bumble is correct.  I'm going to stick with 18 years old as the maximum age childhood is recognized.


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Yes...follow the model that keeps drugs and alcohol out of kids hands.  It works great!  Prohibition works great.

BTW...the GUY was 21 years old.


BTW...it all begins at home!!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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the full article is at this link....
http://www.ammoland.com/2013/0.....drugs/#axzz3dd8LCzcj




On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs.

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.
Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….

What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Those focusing on further firearms bans or magazine restrictions are clearly focusing on the wrong issue and asking the wrong questions, either as a deliberate attempt to hide these links, or out of complete and utter ignorance.

Don’t let them! Force our elected “representatives” and the media to cast a harsh spotlight on this issue. Don’t stop hounding them until they do.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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So Bumble, I am having a hard time finding where it's been stated/confirmed that Dylann Roof was on drugs and that is why
he committed these murders....and I simply cannot find the name of the drugs that cause racial hatred.  Please show us!!!!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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So Bumble, I am having a hard time finding where it's been stated/confirmed that Dylann Roof was on drugs and that is why
he committed these murders....and I simply cannot find the name of the drugs that cause racial hatred.  Please show us!!!!!


Do a little work of your own for once.  Google Suboxone, Dylann Roof.  You will find plenty of articles from different sources.  Give it a try Joey....it's not that difficult.


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Do a little work of your own for once.  Google Suboxone, Dylann Roof.  You will find plenty of articles from different sources.  Give it a try Joey....it's not that difficult.

Are you Bumble???  STFU if you just want to be a jackass.  There are no reports of him on the drug at the time of the shooting.
He had the drug on him in FEB.  He's a known pill popper. But again...have not heard/read that a tox screen indicates he was
on anything at time of shooting.  Even if he was...THIS WAS A RACIALLY MOTIVATED HATE CRIME...so Sissy, again, STFU JACKASS!

PS - I Googled "JACKASS" and it gave me your picture!  



JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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So... did these killers shoot their victims while on these drugs??? OR Did these shooters
kill their victims because they stopped taking these prescribed drugs?


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America

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The tragedy in Charleston last week will no doubt lead to more discussion of several important
and recurring issues in American culture—particularly racism and gun violence—but these
dialogues are unlikely to bear much fruit until the nation undertakes a serious self-examination.
Decrying racism and gun violence is fine, but for too long America’s social dysfunction has
continued to intensify as the nation has ignored a key underlying pathology: anti-intellectualism.

America is killing itself through its embrace and exaltation of ignorance, and the evidence is all
around us. Dylann Roof, the Charleston shooter who used race as a basis for hate and mass
murder, is just the latest horrific example. Many will correctly blame Roof's actions on America's
culture of racism and gun violence, but it's time to realize that such phenomena are directly
tied to the nation's culture of ignorance.

In a country where a sitting congressman told a crowd that evolution and the Big Bang are
“lies straight from the pit of hell,” (link is external) where the chairman of a Senate environmental
panel brought a snowball into the chamber as evidence that climate change is
a hoax, where almost one in three citizens can’t name the vice president, it is
beyond dispute that critical thinking has been abandoned as a cultural value. Our failure as a
society to connect the dots, to see that such anti-intellectualism comes with a huge price, could
eventually be our downfall.


https://www.psychologytoday.co.....m-is-killing-america


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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http://www.theonion.com/article/national-dialogue-dusted-50697

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National Dialogue Dusted Off
NEWS IN BRIEF
June 18, 2015
Vol 51 Issue 24    News · Guns · Violence

WASHINGTON—Following news of a racially motivated shooting massacre in South Carolina that left nine churchgoers dead Wednesday night, the country figured it was once again time to dust off the national dialogue, sources confirmed. “After yesterday’s tragic shooting in Charleston, we felt it was probably time to pull this old thing off the shelf, blow away some of the dust that’s collected on it, and crack it open,” said Mark Fulton, 43, of Reading, PA, referring to the decades-old discourse regarding the kind of free, safe, and respectful society that we as Americans want to live in, which the nation pulls out a dozen or so times a year in the immediate aftermath of unconscionable violence. “Obviously, we won’t be focusing on the parts about police brutality that we’ve used the last few times, but the other sections about racial tolerance, mental health, and gun control are pretty much good to go. It’s definitely a little worn-out from all the use, but we’ll be careful to return the conversation to storage for safekeeping once we’re done with it in about a week or so.” Sources nationwide added that meaningful change would stay untouched on the shelf and would likely remain there unopened indefinitely.


"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving
               hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for
               an angry fix,"


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there are more than enough 'labels' out there that would certainly fit anyone's personal or political agenda.
the fact of the matter is.....until man changes his/her heart.....this will stay the way it has been since the beginning of time.
and there is no legislation that can remotely change that.......and that is a fact
the Romans had their own means of force/killing as did their citizens.
......it's been this way FOREVER...ya just didn't have the LAME STREAM MEDIA, and 24hr tv to broadcast it.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Quoted from bumblethru
there are more than enough 'labels' out there that would certainly fit anyone's personal or political agenda.
the fact of the matter is.....until man changes his/her heart.....this will stay the way it has been since the beginning of time.
and there is no legislation that can remotely change that.......and that is a fact
the Romans had their own means of force/killing as did their citizens.
......it's been this way FOREVER...ya just didn't have the LAME STREAM MEDIA, and 24hr tv to broadcast it.


Awesome!! Sometimes I think I'm the only one here who "gets it". What's even more disturbing to me is how people use tragedies like this to promote an agenda, instead of looking for the root cause of humans inhumanity towards their fellow humans.  


"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving
               hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for
               an angry fix,"


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Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America



https://www.psychologytoday.co.....m-is-killing-america



Post published by David Niose on Jun 20, 2015


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David Niose (born August 20, 1962) is an attorney, author, and activist who has served as president of two Washington-based national organizations, the American Humanist Association and the Secular Coalition for America. In these positions he has initiated and pursued various advocacy efforts—legal, political, and public communications—on behalf of secularism. The American Humanist Association promotes humanism and defends the rights of humanists and other non-theistic Americans, and the Secular Coalition for America is a lobbying and advocacy group for non-theistic Americans

Niose joined the American Humanist Association board of directors in 2005. He served two terms as president of the AHA, before becoming president of the Secular Coalition. In January 2014 he left the presidency of the Secular Coalition for America to become legal director of the American Humanist Association.[8]

Upon joining the AHA board in 2005, Niose helped develop and launch a national advertising campaign promoting humanism in 2005, one of the first national ad campaigns by a secular group in America. The campaign included a series of full-page ads in several national magazines. As AHA president Niose oversaw several more major advertising campaigns which have included national television, radio, billboards, and public transit. These efforts have since been replicated by other secular groups.  In late 2011 the AHA launched a $200,000 holiday billboard campaign, placing advertisements in 7 different cities, which included a billboard reading "Yes, Virginia, there is no god.".

Niose is the author of Nonbeliever Nation: The Rise of Secular Americans, released in 2012 by Palgrave Macmillan.  His next book, Fighting Back the Right: Reclaiming America from the Attack on Reason, was released in 2014. Since 2011, Niose has written a blog on humanist and secular issues for Psychology Today




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