According to Schenectady Police, this State of Emergency has been declared because of the dangerous and unstable conditions that 100-102 and 104 Jay St are in as a result of the fire on March 6. Police say the buildings are in danger of collapsing.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Gee, anyone with intelligence knows that the "part left off" is common sense, it's totally obvious. At this point, would you walk within the roped off area? Would you park your car on that side of the street? Would you park your car in the parking lot behind it? Would you insist on driving on a street that is closed off anyway?
I just don't see what is different under this "state of emergency." It's common sense that the buildings or parts of them could fall anytime, what is different now? Has the area been expanded? Does this require more businesses in the immediate vicinity to close until these buildings have been totally demolished? Why was no state of emergency declared during or immediately after the fire?
I'm hoping for the sake of the average taxpayer in the city that the cause of this has nothing to do with the city failing to do their job.
But calling a state of emergency might possibly allow for justification for the city try to get taxpayer money (at the state or federal level), which would tell suggest that the city either has had no insurance or bond from the owner of 100 Jay which lists the city as a certificate holder, and also has not obtained the same from the new owner of 104 Jay. As in has the city been lax in doing it's work?
The current owner of 104 Jay has owned the place now for 4 months and ti most definitely does not take four months for proof of such document to be produced.
And that 100 Jay is kind of suspicious. It was owned by Amrit Dabie who sold it to Ravena Holidings LLC in 2012 and at the time, this Dabie was tax delinquent and the mortgage document states that Ravena Holdings is to pay the delinquent taxes. But while it's interesting that the school district has Ravena as the owner for tax year 12-13 and 13-14, but now the owner is once again showing as Amrit Dabie and Mr Dabie (Amrit Dabie is an individual person, not a company) and all the current school year taxes are delinquent. Funny thing too is that Ravena pays the mortgage to Dabie rather than to a bank or mortgage company. Dabie has been involved with so many properties for quite a number of years, you have to almost wonder if he got his education from Frank Popolizio (who equally gets off without paying taxes and never has his assets seized).
Between delinquent taxes, possible lack of insurance/bond documents, and possibility that the city approved an inspection of property that possibly should not have been approved, an/or possibly the city failed to "evacuate" (albeit temporarily) all tenants immediately if the fire codes were violated.
It would seem that if the building passed all code requirements, then any talk about a criminal investigation, even though the inspection report is given to the DA, the city would easily be able to come out and say, in fact one day after the inspection, that an inspection took place and everything was up to code. But I think I might be able to understand that the slightest comment like that could come back and bite the city. I think I'm seeing this from a tenant's point of view, the questions they might ask. But there is the taxpayers' point of view too wondering how much it will cost them because the city is well known for both giving away the taxpayers' money to the rich, but also for failing to go after those who owe money to the city (such has WHY didn't the city have the required insurance or bond from Popolizio as requirement was seems to have been in effect prior to the fire on his property; however the city doesn't see fit to post the actual minutes of meetings nor backup documentation on committee discussions of legislation, rather just "an act to amend Section" without citing the details for the taxpayer to know about).
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Gee, anyone with intelligence knows that the "part left off" is common sense, it's totally obvious. At this point, would you walk within the roped off area? Would you park your car on that side of the street? Would you park your car in the parking lot behind it? Would you insist on driving on a street that is closed off anyway?
I just don't see what is different under this "state of emergency." It's common sense that the buildings or parts of them could fall anytime, what is different now? Has the area been expanded? Does this require more businesses in the immediate vicinity to close until these buildings have been totally demolished? Why was no state of emergency declared during or immediately after the fire?
Well I think people with average intelligence reading your post would question why the state of emergency...as someone did:
I think anyone of average intelligence would have completed their quote instead of leaving out the few words that would have clarified the meaning. I think anyone with average intelligence would understand why it was needed for the administration to declare a state of emergency to avoid ay potential further injuries and any potential interference with the criminal investigation. I think anyone with average intelligence would understand what it means if there is a criminal investigation and what the impact would be on requests for evidence, (ie refusal to release inspection reports.)
Since you apparently fail to comprehend much of these details that, according to your words, any individual of average intelligence would understand, I can only offer to you, enjoy the remainder of your below average day!!!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Well I think people with average intelligence reading your post would question why the state of emergency...as someone did:
I think anyone of average intelligence would have completed their quote instead of leaving out the few words that would have clarified the meaning. I think anyone with average intelligence would understand why it was needed for the administration to declare a state of emergency to avoid ay potential further injuries and any potential interference with the criminal investigation. I think anyone with average intelligence would understand what it means if there is a criminal investigation and what the impact would be on requests for evidence, (ie refusal to release inspection reports.) Enjoy the remainder of your below average day!!!
And it's common sense to know that if something is roped off, it is to prevent further injuries without a declaration of state of emergency.
And other than giving a passing grade on an inspection report when it probably did not meet code, common sense that's the only reason to use such code inspection report in an investigation. Come on, it's common sense to know in the absence of an explosion (no one has ever mentioned that), so even if some enemy of a tenant lit a match to bed sheets of the tenant, then the sprinkler system would have put out the fire long before it was so massive that it consumed two buildings so logically the question is why did the city allow people to remain in a building? Or maybe no GFI outlets and someone overloaded something, even then sprinklers were would stop the fire before it got that big, unless, the city code people knew that the sprinklers weren't working and failed to protect the tenants, which would impact the code inspection.
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
And it's common sense to know that if something is roped off, it is to prevent further injuries without a declaration of state of emergency.
And other than giving a passing grade on an inspection report when it probably did not meet code, common sense that's the only reason to use such code inspection report in an investigation. Come on, it's common sense to know in the absence of an explosion (no one has ever mentioned that), so even if some enemy of a tenant lit a match to bed sheets of the tenant, then the sprinkler system would have put out the fire long before it was so massive that it consumed two buildings so logically the question is why did the city allow people to remain in a building? Or maybe no GFI outlets and someone overloaded something, even then sprinklers were would stop the fire before it got that big, unless, the city code people knew that the sprinklers weren't working and failed to protect the tenants, which would impact the code inspection.
You obviously lack common sense or you wouldn't post this dribble BECAUSE IT IS ALL INFORMATION USED IN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION! I can see why you don't do well selling real estate! You'd fail as an ambulance chaser, too!!!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
The reason I questioned the State of Emergency is not because of what MC1 posted it's because the area has been secured since the fire and there is no need for a state of emergency. Its been stated that the federal government will pay the "tab" but when they leave it's the cities bill. My question to that is what about the building owners insurance????
Also do not undertand why everything is hushed up regarding when codes went in etc. That would NOT hamper a criminal investigation, only show IF the building was up to code or if it wasn't.
My heart goes out to those who perished, their family and friends and ALL those who lost their belongings, pets etc.
Everyone "should" know it's a dangerous area and to stay out, but you know that doesn't happen because of curiosity. My point was that it was not clear "why" he declared it a state of emergency. There could be other reasons than the obvious, so that is why the missing sentences added "some" clarity...but I can't believe that there isn't more to this.
The codes is still an issue that this is all under investigation and "ALL" information is part of tht investigation.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
You obviously lack common sense or you wouldn't post this dribble BECAUSE IT IS ALL INFORMATION USED IN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION! I can see why you don't do well selling real estate! You'd fail as an ambulance chaser, too!!!
And that's why only hours after an incident occurs (where someone could be criminally charged), particularly in major stories, police or municipal leaders come forth, often in a press conference and say "this is what we know now...." and proceed to provide details. Such as very recently the child getting hit by the truck in Albany, just hours later:
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Albany police, however, have determined the boy and his mother were walking northbound on Central Avenue at Quail Street when they were struck by the vehicle. Police said the boy and his mother ...
“What we saw on our [surveillance] video is that the child was holding hands with his mom,” Albany police officer Steve Smith said. ...
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Police said the driver of the garbage truck ...
“Obviously, we want to make sure that the investigation is done thoroughly, and we’re taking everything into consideration,” Smith said.
Or this story
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Aug. 9: During an Empire Super Sprints race at Canandaigua (N.Y.) Motorsports Park, Tony Stewart's sprint car strikes Kevin Ward Jr. under caution, and the 20-year-old from Port Leyden, N.Y., is pronounced dead on arrival at Thompson Health...
Aug. 10: In a 3 a.m. news conference, Ontario County Sheriff Philip C. Povero confirms Ward's death and identity and announces an investigation into the fatality. Povero says Stewart was fully cooperative, ...
Aug. 11: In his third news conference in two days, Povero confirms that Ward died of massive blunt trauma, according to an autopsy
And trust me, neither of us sells real estate. One need not be a real estate agent, appraiser, assessor to have the intelligence to be able to state facts about home sales and prices falling, property values falling, document those facts, nor to state information contained in a mortgage document, etc.
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
The reason I questioned the State of Emergency is not because of what MC1 posted it's because the area has been secured since the fire and there is no need for a state of emergency. Its been stated that the federal government will pay the "tab" but when they leave it's the cities bill. My question to that is what about the building owners insurance????
Also do not undertand why everything is hushed up regarding when codes went in etc. That would NOT hamper a criminal investigation, only show IF the building was up to code or if it wasn't.
My heart goes out to those who perished, their family and friends and ALL those who lost their belongings, pets etc.
There have been people trying to get into the site for a number of reasons: curiosity, to try to retrieve personal items, to look for lost pets, etc. they have a very large area quardened off, with many businesses being forced to close. You take someone's business away for weeks then you should really make it official. Without the state of emergency, people could start going back into their business if they really wanted to.
Is anyone curious where this +$400,000.00 for the demo. comes from? The city is supposed to be broke. No $$$ for road repairs, park/island maint. etc. Possibly from Plex as this site impacts downtown (Proctors) less parking/eyesore etc. Unless Jackson Demo. is planning on waiting for their $$$ (which is doubtful) until the city tracks down the 2 owners and they pay up. Think it was mentioned during last years budget the city had a surplus of $1 million. Maybe from that. Really doesn't matter the $$$ always shows up for what is deemed a priority.
Since this event is now being labeled a criminal investigation, it would appear on the surface that this definition exonerates the City of any criminal wrongdoing, if even that was a possibility to begin with. To the best of my knowledge municipalities are never charged of anything using the term "criminal act". That definition/term seems to be reserved for and applied to the non-governmental sector/public at large sector. With this in mind it would seem that the investigation may lead to the bldgs. owners(code related,electrical, etc.) or some form of involvement by the occupants themselves. Can't recall if arson has been mentioned as a cause or ruled out. At any rate this event wherever it's resolution lands, does not bode well for the citys reputation regardless of whom is at fault. And being that the demolition will take up to 4 weeks it's a story that has "legs" and will not fade anytime soon.
Last night the news reported of a fire at the Summitt Towers in Sch'dy. The fire did not spread past the apt. where the fire originated. The sprinklers did function properly in this case and the fire was contained therein. How ironic when compared to the Jay St. disaster. Sadly the gentleman who lived at the Towers later died at Alb. Med.
Smoking in bed .? Geeze im surprised no one is blaming Marlboro ? Because Im startng to feel lucky now that my mom never burnt the house down. Smoking can kill you in more ways than one.
Smoking in bed .? Geeze im surprised no one is blaming Marlboro ? Because Im startng to feel lucky now that my mom never burnt the house down. Smoking can kill you in more ways than one.
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