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Alva White
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::sigh:: You folks really should read the Gazette more often, as you might find stories like this. You're welcome.

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Unpaid tax bills include Schenectady officials
City Council, school board members among delinquents
Wednesday, February 18, 2015
By Kathleen Moore (Contact)
Gazette Reporter  


SCHENECTADY — Some of Schenectady’s most involved citizens are behind on their taxes.

School board member Tanya Hull is more than a year behind and has paid late for years as she struggled to catch up with her bills, she said.

She’s not alone. City Councilman John Mootooveren is a half-year behind on his school taxes, although he’s paid his city taxes in full. Former city Councilman Joseph Allen is also behind on his school taxes while paying his city taxes.

Stockade Neighborhood Association President Mary D’Alessandro, who helps run the city program urging people to buy homes in Schenectady, is a year behind on city taxes. She’s also a year and a half behind on school taxes.

This isn’t a new problem for any of them. School records show all of their bills have been paid late for years.

Mootooveren said his late payments were the fault of his escrow company. However, school records indicate he pays his bill, not an escrow company.

Allen, who did not return a call seeking comment, changed his ways this year. After years of late payments, he paid his city bill in full on the first installment date this year. But his last year of school taxes is still unpaid — he owes $715.

It’s a multi-million-dollar problem for the school district. Each year, $3 million to $5 million in taxes aren’t paid, forcing the school district to borrow money to cover that loss.

The delinquent bills are then handed to the city, which must pay the school district in full a year later. That causes its own problems — the city’s budget includes up to $5 million every year to pay those bills.

That means taxpayers pay additional city taxes to cover other taxpayers’ unpaid school taxes. They must also pay more in school taxes than strictly necessary to cover the interest payments for the school district’s short-term borrowing.

School board President Cathy Lewis was surprised a member of the board would pay late, knowing how much the school district needs the money.

“We’re constantly stretching,” she said. “Clearly we need to have the money.”

She added that the district would still have to borrow money because state aid is not paid until nearly the end of the school year.

“But clearly having the [tax] payments helps in reducing the amount we have to borrow,” Lewis said.

Each taxpayer tends to not owe much — while Allen owes $715 in school taxes, Hull owes $3,740 — but it adds up to a problem for the district.

“It’s the combined effect of all of it,” Lewis said.

“I guess I didn’t expect anyone to be too bothered by it,” Hull said, adding she was once several years behind on all her taxes.

“Just some things have happened. I had to play catch-up a little bit,” she said.

Hull is paid $56,775 as a corrections officer at the Schenectady County jail, where she has worked for more than 12 years.

She still owes all of last year’s city taxes — $3,610 — as well as the $3,740 in school taxes. She said she planned to pay off all of it when she received her income tax refund this year.

D’Alessandro said she tried her best to pay her taxes whenever she could.

“We certainly plan to pay them,” she said, “We budget it yearly. We put money away, and then we pay it.”

She currently owes $4,356 in city taxes and $2,319 in school taxes, all from last year. This school year’s tax is also accumulating, at $1,459 so far.

Mootooveren owes $1,143 in school taxes this year on one of three properties he owns. School records show the bill is routinely paid late, but generally paid before the end of the year. The cost: $123 in interest in 2011, $99 in 2012, $27 in 2013 and $47 so far for the current bill.

Mootooveren blamed escrow.

“I’ll have to talk to my bank. I have to check that. It’s in escrow,” he said.

The unpaid bills go to the city after a year, still accumulating interest. The city tries to collect the taxes at that point, chasing down property owners and eventually threatening them with foreclosure if they don’t pay.

That has led to some results. Lewis said the school district has seen a reduction in unpaid taxes, which she attributes to the foreclosures.


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Must be too early in the day for Mike the Troll to pick up on this.


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my hubby got a letter from the tax dept the end of 2014 that because we owed $56.00 on our lot they could put our name in the paper and threaten
foreclosure  

As for Mike I find his information extremely informative.

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Stockade Neighborhood Association President Mary D’Alessandro, who helps run the city program urging people to buy homes in Schenectady, is a year behind on city taxes. She’s also a year and a half behind on school taxes.

Yup come to Schenectady and buy a home, Mary can show you how to be over a year behind on taxes and get away with it. SMH

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Did the Schenectady school board just vote to raise taxes?  Did Tanya Hull vote to raise taxes for which she already can't pay?  Amazing!


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cmon....maybe its just the begining of a tax revolt?      
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WOW! Great article! This just shows how hypocrites John Mootooveren and Tanya Hull are! Why are these idiots elected to public office when they can't even pay their own taxes? Mootooveren lied about his job now he is lying about paying his taxes! They ought to be ashamed of themselves for telling people to pay their taxes when they can't even pay their own taxes #great job Gazette keep it coming
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I'm assuming all of the outraged citizenry will be marching  with pitchforks and torches on City Hall in the near future and turning out in droves next November to vote the scoundrels out of office.






Probably not.


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I'm assuming all of the outraged citizenry will be marching  with pitchforks and torches on City Hall in the near future and turning out in droves next November to vote the scoundrels out of office.






Probably not.


and even if they did...what? they make up maybe 10% of the voting population?...doesn't matter...The Dems in schenectady are as locked in as the dems in Albany


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and even if they did...what? they make up maybe 10% of the voting population?...doesn't matter...The Dems in schenectady are as locked in as the dems in Albany


I'm optimistic enough to hope it would be otherwise, but cynical enough to know it ain't gonna happen. I just chuckle at all the pseudo-activism, or as someone else here coined the phrase "faux concerned citizen".


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The point everyone is missing is that they are victims also.  They are behind because of the prior fiscal mess.  They would pay if they could.  The interest and penalties are so high.  

Again if everyone paid on time and in full the city would have a huge gap to fill that is currently funded by late fees and penalties.  The first year windfall would be felt for a short time and then absorbed by the bloated machine.


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I'm assuming all of the outraged citizenry will be marching  with pitchforks and torches on City Hall in the near future and turning out in droves next November to vote the scoundrels out of office.


Probably not.


If you want to get beaten and shot by the $100k police officer, for carrying weapons(pitchforks and torches) and "terrorizing" a government building - be my guest.  And yes, many lemmings will show up to vote for a different crook consenting the legal power to steal from them.  They go through the exercise every few years.


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If you want to get beaten and shot by the $100k police officer, for carrying weapons(pitchforks and torches) and "terrorizing" a government building - be my guest.  And yes, many lemmings will show up to vote for a different crook consenting the legal power to steal from them.  They go through the exercise every few years.


Things like this no longer outrage me, I've become numb and fully expect them, so I won't be a'marchin'.


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NYS Driver’s License Revocation For Unpaid Taxes

Posted on November 24, 2014
Adding to the misery of owing taxes in New York States, is the year old the drivers license revocation initiative passed by Governor Coumo on  March 2013. Individuals who owe more than $10,000 in state taxes started to receive notices in August 2013.
If you fall in this category An initial notice will be sent to you as the  taxpayer and there is 60 days given to respond. If they do not respond within  60 days to the first notice then well receive a second notice that allows them an additional 15 days to respond and set up an installment agreement with New York State.  If the taxpayer  fails  to respond to the second notice,  their license will be suspended until the debt is paid off. If there is more than one missed payment in a 12 month period their license can be suspended again.
Exemptions to Law
However, there are exemptions to this law. Drivers who have commercial licenses are exempt and those that are already subject to wage garnishments for child and spousal support are exempt.
If your license becomes suspended, taxpayers will have the opportunity to apply for a restricted license which only allows them to drive to and from work.
Ways to Avoid Suspension
To avoid this added inconvenience, you should immediately respond  to any notice from
New York State Tax. Most average size tax debts can be placed into an installment agreement. Delays often can occur when trying to engage in negotiations with the Tax Department.  Monthly budgetary information must be completed.  Lf you are non-compliant with regards to past due or unfiled returns, this will delay the agreement as well. So plan on having all returns filed whenthe plan is setup.


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Things like this no longer outrage me, I've become numb and fully expect them, so I won't be a'marchin'.


Not only does it not outrage me - it's expected.


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Not only does it not outrage me - it's expected.


On this we agree.


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