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All of our speculation on types of jobs and the related pay structure can be cleared up very simply.   Just make public with specifics and not generalities the information/facts for the jobs that they are espousing as "good paying" and then we will all know.   Then we can all discuss this issue with facts.   Sounds like a simple request.  In part the casino has been sold to everyone based on the definition of good paying jobs without the pay scales announced.   At best that sounds vague.   Can be sure since Rush  owns/operates other casinos they know the pay structure of these positions.   Projects like these are sold to the public with the promise of job creation (GE battery plant) but seem to lack the pay structure information before hand so one can make a better assessment of the projects promises.
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It's a service and hospitality industry.  It will pay wages in line with service and hospitality labor market. How much do hotel workers get paid?  I would say the Casino will pay about the same for most jobs.  The Casino may put a little pressure on the labor market in that industry and drive up wages a little bit.  If I were to guess, I'd say the average wage will be $12-$15 per hour.


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The floor attendants at Saratoga casino, whom walk the floor and fill up the machines with the ticket vouchers/verify jackpots etc. are unionized.   Wonder if the Union will be involved in this way at this venue.
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The floor attendants at Saratoga casino, whom walk the floor and fill up the machines with the ticket vouchers/verify jackpots etc. are unionized.   Wonder if the Union will be involved in this way at this venue.


I would say with 99% certainty - yes.


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so will there be 12000 new casino jobs added to the 6000 that keep being tossed up at election time?
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I already put up the info on casino jobs/types/wages.....it was in another thread, but I can do it again....and yes, cicero is correct...

service jobs,,,,$10-$15/hour for most of them.....

and explain to me why a person in a career is worth much more?

a lawyer is a career? or just a stooge job for the government?
a police officer is a career? or just a stooge job for the government?
a city garbage collector is a career? or just a stooge job for the government?

no really, explain the differences and the WHYS......


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let me give you an example....

I work with certified nurse aides....they TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE who cannot take care of themselves....

this is a skill to be honed and actually becomes an art much like a psycologists/lawyer would hone when dealing with humans and YET
they earn $10-$15/hour......TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE for other people that have 'careers' or 'jobs' that don't have the means to...

so explain to me the significance of , or shall I say the insignificance of, a job.......because basically that is what you are saying...

so the jobs are INSIGNIFICANT AND THE FOLKS BUILDING IT/RUNNING IT ARE MORE SIGNIFICANT......


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Lets take a wild (?) guess.   Would it have anything to do with the class system?  
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Lets take a wild (?) guess.   Would it have anything to do with the class system?  


bingo!!!!


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even with a union you can only make what 'the man' says you are worth...even the guy next to you only gets a raise when you do....

but that's beating the devil and getting one's 'fair share' isn't it? oooooooooo safety in numbers with fixed wages....


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Work > Career Advice > Salary and Compensation
What Is the Range Salary for Casino Gaming Workers?
by Forest Time, Demand Media
Typical casino salaries can range from around $20,000 to over $80,000.
Typical casino salaries can range from around $20,000 to over $80,000.


It takes a variety of workers to efficiently run a casino operation, from card dealers and booth cashiers to supervisors and surveillance workers. Most gaming services workers need only a high school diploma or GED, although formal education can be helpful when it comes to finding a management position. Once hired, casino workers undergo a training program that typically lasts between one and two months.

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Cashiers
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, casino booth cashiers and change persons who sell tokens and make change earned an average of $25,740 per year as of 2012. Half of all booth cashiers and change persons reported annual salaries ranging from $20,110 to $30,270. Those working for hotel casinos earned the most, an average of $28,770. Cashiers employed by private casinos not attached to hotels averaged $25,270, while cashiers at government-operated casinos averaged $24,390.

Dealers
Card dealers reported an average annual salary of $22,410 to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics in 2012, and half of all dealers reported income ranging from $17,250 to $23,120 per year. The BLS also reports that many gaming dealers work on a part-time basis. Those working in hotel casinos averaged $18,390 per year, those employed by government casinos averaged $22,370 and dealers employed by private casinos reported an average annual salary of $26,800.

Related Reading: What Training Is Required For a Casino Manager?

Surveillance Officers
Surveillance officers watch patrons and employees on the casino floor, making sure that they aren't stealing or otherwise cheating the casino out of money. As of 2012, gaming surveillance officers earned an average of $32,040 per year. Those employed by hotel casinos earned the most, averaging $35,440 annually. By comparison, gaming surveillance officers employed by local government or by freestanding private casinos averaged between $30,000 and $32,000 per year.

Supervisors and Managers
As of 2012, gaming supervisors reported an average salary of $49,700 to the BLS. Those employed by hotel casinos earned an average of $53,080, while private freestanding casinos paid supervisors an average of $47,930 and government-operated casinos paid an average of $46,480. Casino managers earned an average of $71,390. Those who worked for hotel casinos earned the most, averaging $80,540 per year. Managers of private freestanding casinos averaged $72,270, while government-operated casino managers averaged $64,400 per year.


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gaming services occupations image
Many gaming services workers are employed by casinos.
Quick Facts: Gaming Services Occupations
2012 Median Pay     $20,210 per year
$9.71 per hour
Entry-Level Education     High school diploma or equivalent
Work Experience in a Related Occupation     See How to Become One
On-the-job Training     See How to Become One
Number of Jobs, 2012     182,200
Job Outlook, 2012-22     10% (As fast as average)
Employment Change, 2012-22     17,900
What Gaming Services Occupations Do
Gaming services workers serve customers in gambling establishments, such as casinos or racetracks. Some workers tend slot machines deal cards, or oversee other gaming activities such as keno or bingo. Others take bets or pay out winnings. Still others supervise or manage gaming workers and operations.

Work Environment
Most gaming services workers are employed in the casino hotels or gambling industries. Because most establishments are open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, employees work nights, weekends, and holidays.

How to Become a Gaming Services Worker
Most gaming jobs require a high school diploma or equivalent. Some casinos may require gaming managers to have a college degree. In addition, all gaming services workers must have excellent customer-service skills.

Pay
The median annual wage for workers in gaming services occupations was $20,210 in May 2012.

Job Outlook
Employment in gaming services occupations is projected to grow 10 percent from 2012 to 2022, about as fast as the average for all occupations. Since some states benefit from casinos in the form of tax revenues, additional states may expand the number of gambling establishments over the next decade.


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ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. -- Internet gambling is the future of the casino industry, whether it's approved at the federal or state level, a panel of online and brick-and-mortar casino executives said Tuesday.

And a New Jersey lawmaker predicted there will be a ballot question next year asking his state's residents whether to amend the state Constitution to allow Internet gambling.

Speaking at the East Coast Gaming Congress, executives from two online betting organizations and Caesars Entertainment said the Internet provides the gambling industry its best opportunity for growth. But the prospect of a federal law permitting it appears dim in light of recent federal raids on online gambling sites.


"You're not going to stop the Internet," said Jan Jones, senior vice president of government relations for Caesars Entertainment. "You can regulate it, you can put in protections, but it's going to exist."

Melanie Brenner, president of the U.S. Online Gaming Association, said more than 10 million people currently play online poker.

"That's what they look forward to," she said. "This is the path to growth for (the casino) industry."

Panel members estimated the potential annual revenue from legalized Internet gambling in the U.S. at nearly $80 billion.

Richard Bronson, chairman of U.S. Digital Gaming, predicts individual states will approve online gambling soon. He said the recent raids by federal prosecutors on online poker web sites makes it unlikely the federal government will approve Internet gambling, leaving states an opportunity to do it on a piecemeal basis.

"I believe strongly there will not be a national online gambling bill passed in the U.S.," he said. "I've yet to find one governor, one legislator, one lottery director that tells me otherwise. They want this to be a state issue."

New Jersey was on the verge of becoming the first state in the nation to approve Internet gambling within its state borders. But Gov. Chris Christie vetoed a bill that would have permitted it, voicing concern about its legality. Christie suggested if New jersey legislators are serious about allowing Internet gambling, they should put a proposed Constitutional amendment before the voters and let them decide.

That's exactly what state Assemblyman John Burzichelli, a south Jersey Democrat, said the legislature plans to do.

"Next year there's probably going to be a question on the ballot to allow Internet gambling," he said. "Whether or not New Jersey voters amend the Constitution is up in the air. We came close, and we're going to do it again. We're going to take another run at it."

New Jersey law requires that all casino gambling in the state take place in Atlantic City. The bill Christie vetoed would have had the Atlantic City casinos maintain the servers, thus technically making the transactions happen in Atlantic City. Christie didn't buy that argument, and also worried about bars and restaurants setting up "Internet cafes" that would be fronts for illegal gambling.

In April, federal authorities busted the three largest online poker web sites in the United States on charges of bank fraud and illegal gambling against 11 people, accusing them of manipulating banks to process billions of dollars in illegal revenue. Prosecutors in Manhattan said they've issued restraining orders against more than 75 bank accounts in 14 countries used by the poker companies, interrupting the illegal flow of billions of dollars.

The companies, all based overseas, are PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker. The indictment seeks $3 billion in money laundering penalties and forfeiture from the defendants.

The indictment said the companies ran afoul of the law after the U.S. in October 2006 enacted the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, which makes it a crime for gambling businesses to knowingly accept most forms of payment in connection with the participation of another person in unlawful Internet gambling.

Federal prosecutors in Maryland on Monday announced indictments of three other people and two businesses, plus the seizure of 11 bank accounts and 10 website domain names.

The American Gaming Association called the prosecutions a "half measure" toward fixing the problem and called for federally sanctioned licensing and regulation of online poker.

The association's president, Frank Fahrenkopf, said millions of Americans bet billions of dollars a year at foreign websites, and will continue to do so as long as there are sites they can access.

"In fact, in the immediate aftermath of online poker's April 15 `Black Friday,' some of the 300 companies that continued to operate in the U.S., in spite of the law, saw a surge in new business," he said. "Today, there are more than 1,000 real-money websites operated by these offshore operators that still target the U.S. market."

Because of that prosecution, individual states will try to approve Internet gambling solely within their own borders, panel members agreed. But they would lose out on a lucrative worldwide market that unscrupulous illegal website operators will fill, they added.

"If we look at this as a state opportunity, we will have lost the single largest opportunity for this industry," said Jones, the Caesars executive. "If you don't have that international capability – Europe, Asia – you can't go in there because you can't go outside your own state. You lost the worldwide opportunity."


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Casinos Betting on a Future Beyond Gaming
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By ROBERT STRAUSS
Published: September 16, 2007
ATLANTIC CITY

WHEN Jeffrey S. Vasser approaches the dentists and gizmo manufacturers and certified public accountants who might want their next convention in Atlantic City, he is not prone to mention first what many believe is his city’s top attraction.

It’s not gambling. Like many people in the casino industry, Mr. Vasser, executive director of the Atlantic City Convention and Visitors Authority, says that the casinos’ future rests on more than gambling.

“More and more, because of the other amenities we now have here, gaming is certainly not our focus anymore when we sell Atlantic City to meeting people,” Mr. Vasser said. What sells conventions, he said, are “the million square feet of prime retail that has opened here recently and the influx of high-end restaurants.”

That outlook comes with news from the casinos this summer that, while not exceedingly grim, is not good.

Revenue and the operating profit for the second quarter of 2007 for the casino-hotels was down from the same period last year. Competition continues to grow in nearby states, including the addition of slot machines at racetracks in eastern Pennsylvania. And the city’s casinos themselves are in a snit about the prospect of casino operations at Bader Field, the airport complex on the western outskirts of town that closed last year.

Still, casino executives sound upbeat about their niche in the gambling world.

“We’ve just taken a hit from Pennsylvania opening its first operations,” said Larry Mullin, chief executive of the Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa, the highest-revenue casino in town, “but I think people will realize that there, they are getting what I call a 7-Eleven approach to gaming, and here in Atlantic City they will get a full-service version.”

According to the New Jersey Casino Control Commission, gross operating profits for all Atlantic City casinos were down 12.9 percent from the first half of 2006 to the first half of 2007. This was partly a result of the closing of the Sands Hotel and Casino in November. The Pinnacle Corporation bought the casino and plans to replace it with a $1.5 billion hotel and casino.

When not factoring in the Sands, gross operating profits were still down 11.7 percent. But the casinos’ win on table games — Pennsylvania has only slot machines — was up by 3.3 percent, and a healthy 6.7 percent without the Sands figures.

The casinos’ gross gambling revenue in 2006 was $5.2 billion, with $417 million in taxes going to the state and $65 million to the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority.

“There’s no harm in people seeing what is there, but we think they will be down here again in short order,” Mr. Vasser said. “Remember, we’ve seen gaming in Native American establishments and in Delaware and increased promotion in Las Vegas and, soon, no doubt, in New York. We know we have to provide something extra, and the new retail and entertainment options here are just that.”

The possibility of casinos at the Bader Field site has caused some uneasiness, though.

Daniel R. Lee, chairman and chief executive of Pinnacle, said during a stock analysts’ conference call last month that his company would reconsider its proposed casino if the city decided to develop Bader Field for casinos.

Mr. Lee accused state and local officials of courting the Las Vegas casino mogul Steve Wynn, who once owned the Golden Nugget in Atlantic City, about building a casino property at Bader Field. State and local officials deny having done so.

“Frankly, nothing will come to Bader Field any time soon,” said Michael Pollock, a casino consultant and publisher of The Gaming Industry Observer, a trade journal. “There are too many issues — zoning, environmental impact, and so forth — that have to be resolved. But otherwise, I think Atlantic City is going to do just fine in the long run if it is allowed to develop into a regional, multifaceted resort. It has certainly taken steps to be that way.”

Mark Juliano, chief executive of Trump Entertainment, which has 3 of the 11 operating casinos in Atlantic City, said Atlantic City was positioned to do well because it is following a Las Vegas model, trying to increase revenues from nongambling operations.

“We’re doing it on a smaller scale,” he said. Atlantic City can provide “more reasons to come for at least a couple of nights.”

Mr. Vasser said Atlantic City needs to continue building hotels — three casinos have large towers that are either in the building or planning stages, totaling 2,550 rooms — to thrive. The city now has 14,500 hotel rooms. “When the casino legislation passed in 1976, each casino was required to have a hotel with 500 rooms,” he said. “That was sufficient then. It is not sufficient now.”

When the Borgata opened in 2003, it was the first casino to have spent $1 billion on its property. Now, Mr. Mullin said, no casino will open without spending at least $1.5 billion. “It is what is expected now,” he said.

The Borgata, in fact, will market its new tower separately. The $400 million, 800-room hotel, adjacent to the existing casino, will be called the Water Club and include five pools, a spa and retail shops. Mr. Mullin said he assumed the Pinnacle property would have similar amenities.

“Sure, gaming is the biggest draw, but the more every casino updates, the more we will be a full-service resort, attractive not just to slot players, who will soon be able to play anywhere, but all kinds of people,” he said. “This short-term hit is just that. No one should worry about Atlantic City doing well for a very long time.”


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