Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

You are changing the subject .... throwing oyt red herrings (as usual).   I will answer your question  IF and ONLY IF .. you deal with the ACTUAL TOPIC first. Do you think that what those parents did - hiring someone to kidnap their child at gun point, bind the child's hands and legs, take off his pants and threaten to sell him into sex slavery, etc.  was abusive and criminal?

No, I don't think terrorizing children is ok, in any capacity.  The point I'm making, is that an individual family takes ridiculously extreme measures to make their child experience a terrifying situation is psychotic.  But on the same topic, local public schools conduct lock down drills that simulate a shooter in the school, with police officers entering the classrooms shouting and simulating a frightening situation.  Remember duck and cover drills?  Another fear mongering tactic of the state.  All equally psychotic and unnecessary mental trauma for a child.  But, when done by the state, it's a drill to prepare students and faculty, when done by family, it's child abuse.  I believe both are absolutely nuts and does damage to children by instilling irrational fear and anxieties, teaching them to fear the world around them.

Quoted from CICERO

No, I don't think terrorizing children is ok, in any capacity.  The point I'm making, is that an individual family takes ridiculously extreme measures to make their child experience a terrifying situation is psychotic.  But on the same topic, local public schools conduct lock down drills that simulate a shooter in the school, with police officers entering the classrooms shouting and simulating a frightening situation.  Remember duck and cover drills?  Another fear mongering tactic of the state.  All equally psychotic and unnecessary mental trauma for a child.  But, when done by the state, it's a drill to prepare students and faculty, when done by family, it's child abuse.  I believe both are absolutely nuts and does damage to children by instilling irrational fear and anxieties, teaching them to fear the world around them.

Unfortunately, drills are necessary. If they were conducted sensibly, lock down drills would be no more frightening than a fire drill or a tornado drill.  I have read of instances where the faculty was not prewarned of lockdown drills involving armed first responders -- that would qualify as being unsensible and over the top,

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Unfortunately, drills are necessary. If they were conducted sensibly, lock down drills would be no more frightening than a fire drill or a tornado drill.  I have read of instances where the faculty was not prewarned of lockdown drills involving armed first responders -- that would qualify as being unsensible and over the top,

I can't compare fire or tornado drills to lock down drills.  Fire and tornado are random acts nature or negligence.  A lock down drill(no matter how subtle) is conditioning children to reasonably expect a member of the community to enter their school with the intention of killing them.  What's that say to a child about the community they live in if you have to hold lock down drills up to 6 times per year?  Tells me you can't trust your neighbors - they may be the next school shooter.  The school is just keeping me safe from my crazy psychotic neighbor that wants to kill children.

But you won't go as far as calling it abuse?  It's psychological abuse on a massive scale.

A lock down drill(no matter how subtle) is preparing children and faculty in the event someone was to enter their school with the intention of killing.  
What this says to a child is anything could possibly happen and being prepared is essential.  The school is attempting to prepare the students
and faculty in case of an event and trying to insure they are kept safe from any crazy psychotic that wants to kill.

Quoted from joebxr

A lock down drill(no matter how subtle) is preparing children and faculty in the event someone was to enter their school with the intention of killing.  
What this says to a child is anything could possibly happen and being prepared is essential.  The school is attempting to prepare the students
and faculty in case of an event and trying to insure they are kept safe from any crazy psychotic that wants to kill.

Ok, using the school as a model.  Families should conduct drills in their own homes in preparation of a home invasion, locking children in a room while armed men enter the house screaming and terrorizing the children.  Since being prepared is essential, there should a public service announcement informing families how to conduct an effective lock down drill in their own homes, and how to contact your local police to conduct the simulated break in of armed men.  I think this would be great for society and help keep everyone safe everywhere.  After all, home break ins are more likely to happen than school shootings.

Quoted from CICERO

Ok, using the school as a model.  Families should conduct drills in their own homes in preparation of a home invasion, locking children in a room while armed men enter the house screaming and terrorizing the children.  Since being prepared is essential, there should a public service announcement informing families how to conduct an effective lock down drill in their own homes, and how to contact your local police to conduct the simulated break in of armed men.  I think this would be great for society and help keep everyone safe everywhere.  After all, home break ins are more likely to happen than school shootings.

Stop being logical and making sense...it's not becoming of you.
Assume your reply is TIC, like usual.
If you haven't had those discussions with your family and
talked about the what ifs, and what to do, (fire, theft,
break-ins, strange persons, etc.) then you failed.

Quoted from joebxr

Stop being logical and making sense...it's not becoming of you.
Assume your reply is TIC, like usual.
If you haven't had those discussions with your family and
talked about the what ifs, and what to do, (fire, theft,
break-ins, strange persons, etc.) then you failed.

It's not a "discussion" in schools.  Kids are literally locked inside classrooms and instructed to hide in corners of the room, and instructed not to talk until the end of the drill.  Men run around the hallways yelling and banging on lockers and doors as part of the simulation.  Some kindergarten teachers give the children lollipops during the drill to keep the child from talking.  

I guess because I haven't done this type of drill in my own home I fail.  It must have been a real blast growing up in the Joebxr household.

Quoted from CICERO

It's not a "discussion" in schools.  Kids are literally locked inside classrooms and instructed to hide in corners of the room, and instructed not to talk until the end of the drill.  Men run around the hallways yelling and banging on lockers and doors as part of the simulation.  Some kindergarten teachers give the children lollipops during the drill to keep the child from talking.  

I guess because I haven't done this type of drill in my own home I fail.  It must have been a real blast growing up in the Joebxr household.

Leave it to you to distort reality, take it to useless extreme,
and turn the comments into something they were not.  Great
job you lying lowlife scumbag!

it IS conditioning just like the cold war era commercial/cartoons played in the public schools....

priceless....

remember, a diagnosis is a sentence....and don't use public school conditioning as a defense, they won't save you from the demons
they unleashed in the youth's psyche....