Where is the sentence, in that article, that state's that?
How else do you think the City knows what to budge for in 2014? DUH!!!! New projection shows city will have problem in 2015 budget based on info rec'd in 2014...isn't that what's been reported?
So again, PROVIDE FACTS! You DEMAND facts from others, but in you case you only answer questions with more questions when you can't provide facts.....maybe you are too obsessed with DVOR trolling to provide facts to support your claims in legitimate questions!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
New projection shows city will have problem in 2015 budget based on info rec'd in 2014...isn't that what's been reported?
And where does it say that the STATE already gave the city projections for the August 2015 bill?
All I read is the city is budgeting X amount.
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
And where does it say that the STATE already gave the city projections for the August 2015 bill?
All I read is the city is budgeting X amount.
Oh, and they can budget without knowing what they need to budget for, right? GET REAL! Your soft shoe dance doesn't get it! You'd be all over DVOR like flies on horse dung, but when the finger is pointed in your direction, you are now a dance professional! HYP-O-CRITE!!!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Pensions aren't the only problems. The whole benefits package IS!!!! This is a run away freight train.
Well look like the city has a real problem with the Employee Benefits. In 2012 it was 93% of the Real Estate Taxes. In 2011 it was more than the taxes collected. Wish I had time to put in the 2013 numbers. Scared to see it.
School Revenues and Proceeds of Debt 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 REAL PROPERTY TAXES AND ASSESSMENTS 44,093,154 45,125,897 42,328,405 38,109,123 36,279,693 37,588,682 EMPLOYEE BENEFITS 34,680,726 31,877,043 29,066,745 27,433,575 26,282,534 24,257,387 Percentage 79% 71% 69% 72% 72% 65%
County Revenues and Proceeds of Debt 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 REAL PROPERTY TAXES AND ASSESSMENTS 62,283,259 63,729,000 63,583,228 64,180,823 60,950,259 56,630,980 EMPLOYEE BENEFITS 36,491,082 37,127,737 34,644,415 30,804,686 34,330,527 37,381,293 Percentage 59% 58% 54% 48% 56% 66%
City Revenues and Proceeds of Debt 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 REAL PROPERTY TAXES AND ASSESSMENTS 28,711,158 25,122,746 25,594,404 25,219,219 27,721,271 29,505,972 EMPLOYEE BENEFITS 26,671,113 25,324,133 24,262,511 22,194,524 21,213,783 19,745,166 Percentage 93% 101% 95% 88% 77% 67%
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Oh, and they can budget without knowing what they need to budget for, right? GET REAL! Your soft shoe dance doesn't get it! You'd be all over DVOR like flies on horse dung, but when the finger is pointed in your direction, you are now a dance professional! HYP-O-CRITE!!!
I am merely asking when did they get the projections, I'm only stating what the news article said. It said NOTHING about WHEN they got the projections.
But provide the information that states when NYS has already provided the city a projection for the August 2015 bill.
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Oh, and they can budget without knowing what they need to budget for, right? GET REAL! Your soft shoe dance doesn't get it! You'd be all over DVOR like flies on horse dung, but when the finger is pointed in your direction, you are now a dance professional! HYP-O-CRITE!!!
Tell us joe, businesses and to some extent homeowners are making up their budgets for 2015.
Tell us joe, have the school districts given us projections on what the tax bills will be that we will receive in August 2015. I trust you know that we taxpayers will receive our school tax bills in August.
So since you seem to claim that OSC actually has given the city projections for what a bill will be in August 2015, I trust you can provide details of what that projection is AND when the projection was given to the city?
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Tell us joe, businesses and to some extent homeowners are making up their budgets for 2015.
Tell us joe, have the school districts given us projections on what the tax bills will be that we will receive in August 2015. I trust you know that we taxpayers will receive our school tax bills in August.
So since you seem to claim that OSC actually has given the city projections for what a bill will be in August 2015, I trust you can provide details of what that projection is AND when the projection was given to the city?
Well I can't provide fact of date for submittal, because it doesn't seem to be something readily available to a lay person. I guess only way to get it is to request info from city, and doubt they will oblige. However, it seems very logical that the city must have some numbers from the state BEFORE they can sit down and plan/propose a budget...that is a logical assumption that can be made.
As for schools, I believe the answer is yes. When they present 2015 budget for approval the % increase is provided and statements during the budget process identify what % increase homeowners will see if budget is passed as presented.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
What's your point LOSER? When you are man enough to step up and admit wrong or unable to do, then you can comment. Until then STFU you ignorant self-centered loser waste...go spit on yourself!!!
You post an EMPTY quote, very fitting...just like your brain, EMPTY!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
As for schools, I believe the answer is yes. When they present 2015 budget for approval the % increase is provided and statements during the budget process identify what % increase homeowners will see if budget is passed as presented.
OK, so NOW, TODAY, October 8, 2014, businesses and perhaps some homeowners are planning their budgets for calendar year 2015 (January 1, 2015 through December 31, 2015, and you are saying that school districts have already provided projections to businesses and homeowners of what the school tax bill WILL BE that we will receive in August 2015?
How come I have not yet received a projection on what Mohon's tax bill WILL be that we get in August 2015?
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
What's your point LOSER? When you are man enough to step up and admit wrong or unable to do, then you can comment. Until then STFU you ignorant self-centered loser waste...go spit on yourself!!!
You post an EMPTY quote, very fitting...just like your brain, EMPTY!
Bipolar response noted.
You want me to shut the fucck up, then complain about an empty post.
From the king of empty posts containing only quoted material, which is not representative of his opinion.
Don't worry, I'll save your reply and use it hundreds of times a month when you post "your" "empty brained" non-responses.
OK, so NOW, TODAY, October 8, 2014, businesses and perhaps some homeowners are planning their budgets for calendar year 2015 (January 1, 2015 through December 31, 2015, and you are saying that school districts have already provided projections to businesses and homeowners of what the school tax bill WILL BE that we will receive in August 2015?
How come I have not yet received a projection on what Mohon's tax bill WILL be that we get in August 2015?
Can't answer that...don't know when school budget is done or when they have open meetings, etc. Maybe call Mohon office and ask!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
You want me to shut the fucck up, then complain about an empty post.
From the king of empty posts containing only quoted material, which is not representative of his opinion.
Don't worry, I'll save your reply and use it hundreds of times a month when you post "your" "empty brained" non-responses.
Self-centered JACKA$$ response noted from empty headed Loser4Life! Guess I should appreciate your empty quote, because you have nothing to say and said it!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
It's obvious that John Muteovooren is not qualifed to be a councilman he brings no accounting experience to the table. Furthermore McCarthy and his crew doesn't have a clue how to manage the city's finances. All they know how to do is RAISE TAXES AND HIRE MORE GOVERNMENT MULES AND NOT TO MENTION MCCARTHY GIVES MILLIONS OF TAX PAYERS DOLLARS TO RICH DEVELOPERS! Time for a new Mayor and a new council!
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