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Discussions to you are conversations where everybody agrees with you.  But, if you read the definition of discussion...

Main Entry: dis·cus·sion
Pronunciation: \di-ˈskə-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 :  consideration of a question in open and usually informal debate 2 :  a formal treatment of a topic in speech or writing

For you it's an opportunity to redirect the topic into
your preferred attacks and personal agenda.

dis·cus·sion noun \di-ˈskə-shən\  
> the act of talking about something with another person or a group of people : a conversation about something
> a speech or piece of writing that gives information, ideas, opinions, etc., about something




JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
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So you still claim false facts.  I'm waiting for you to step up and answer the questions
I presented...I asked you to PROVE YOUR FALSE ALLEGATIONS ...


I make no allegations.

I have made logical deductions from your posts and your statements regarding what you call service to the United States.

Feel free to point out any logical faults.

I associate those who are members and former members as part of the collective US military. I justify this association based on the simple fact that they aided and supported the collective that was used to kill people,  simply because they were directed to, as necessary for our national interests.

The military is directed by the government, and claims to act with our nations interests as their objective. To serve the needs of the country by following direction from the government.

In the course of being directed by the government, the collective military has systematically killed innocent civilians in unbelievable numbers, decade after decade, and have taken no substantial or noticeable actions to try other solutions. In many of our numerous enforcement actions, necessary for our national interests around the world, dead civilians outnumber the dead soldiers.

This method of using deadly force to reshape the rest of the world, in our own image, of what our leaders feel is allegedly in our country's best interests, and believable enough to feed to the American people.

Now, who exactly is this nation's best interest entity?

The government directs the military, using the system of issuing orders down the chain of of command, to the the local commanders that direct the use of deadly force against the specific targets.

So we have the government directors, the military commanders(the management) their support staffs, legal teams, courts, judges, maintenance personnel, bookkeepers, administrators, electronics  and communications people, all that perform the services necessary for the government and military to function properly as a collective service, performing these required tasks in the \"name of\" what's necessary for the interests of the country.(As defined by themselves)

Embedded within this system, a large percentage are getting their own personal and corporate associates interests served and those who actually perform these necessary actions needed for the country's best interest, get the leftover scraps. The corporate interests are served, the politicians interests are served, but the country's best interest is not being served at all.

The country has more enemies now, than ever in modern history. Innocent lives are taken regularly around the world. Those who served in these actual enforcement actions, return home and take their own lives in numbers so great that this country should be ashamed.

No declarations of war, no arrest warrants, no trials, just targeted summary executioners traveling from country to country performing enforcement actions necessary for the interests of the country. No regards to other countries borders, sending drones into countries year after by year, until the outrage build up, like in Pakistan and the people demand actions be taken to stop the drone attacks. In other countries where we came in mass numbers like Iraq and Afghanistan covering the landscape with depleted uranium, land mines and destruction of infrastructure. While also using force to put new authorities into power.

The entire system is not based on what is right or wrong, but in the best interests, as determined by the government directors.

The collateral damage numbers are outrageous and unconscionable actions that must be stopped.\n\nThe name Department of Defense is a Joke.

The results speak for themselves.

The success rate at fixing other countries?

The costs of world wide human lives, including innocent lives.

The suicides that are known to follow service.

The restrictions on society, based on fear of reprisals for our collective aggressions around the globe.

The astronomical expense of these actions necessary to satisfy the hunger of the beast known as our nation's best interest.

The devastation around the world.

The supplying of weaponry and air strikes to an already war torn area.

We fan the flames of war on one side, then from the other.

Our politicians call this acting in our nation's best interest.

Each of them, along with the nations largest industry, the military industry, gets their needs met, while the country is taxed to death for this over priced massive collective based death and destruction machine.

Now, how does this apply to each individual soldier, who I feel are not acting in our nation's best interests, but in the interests of the politicians and corporate military industry.

All of this death and violence is based upon the cooperation and actions of the actual soldiers. I don't personally hold every soldier accountable for atrocities and innocent deaths committed by the collective. I do want them to clearly understand how wrong these actions have, and continue to be. I cannot stand by while the homicidal flag waving crowd glorifies and honors these actions.

When your kids fight, do you explain to them and help them find alternatives to killing each other?

Would you supply weapons to the one that you think is in your best interest to support?

You can't fix the world by killing everyone that hates you, because quite honestly the number that hate the US is directly proportional to the number of people who's homelands that we have invaded, who's innocents have been slaughtered and who's system of government has been replaced with one that serves our best interests.

The corporate military collective must be continually fed, so new enemies and threats must be continually publicized and hyped up to justify it's exponential growth. The military personnel must be glorified and honored to keep new recruits coming in to satisfy the needs of the expanding collective.

It's all BS.

The taxpayers are being raped and extorted, using fear tactics and patriotism.

Those who object are crazy haters.

The internet allows the entire world to read the body counts, the failed military presence around the world and the corporate profiteers and politicians the all get their piece of the trillions of dollars they are allotted.

The time will come when people will no longer blindly go and inflict Americanism on other countries by using death and destruction.

I don't want to restrict anyone's right to glorify and honor those who they feel have served their country, but I fully reserve my right to criticize and rebuke the actions of the military as inhumane and counterproductive.

The entire world's best interests should be served by all governments and all military organizations.

And by best interests, I mean the actual citizens interests, not the government and military industry's best interests.

You can call me a hater, a crazy person or whatever distraction of the day you choose, but every day more and more people are reading information freely available and they are waking up to the truth.

History will hopefully remember the US military as a colossal failure that was finally reined in and stopped from committing, spreading and assisting in global death and destruction.

So, do I blame all soldiers for supporting the military death machine?

Hell yes, same as I would blame all persons in the Japanese military for Pearl Harbor.

People need to learn to solve problems without death and destruction.

Movies glorifying military conquest and victories only serve to perpetuate the expansion of death and violence being used as problem solving.

Holidays celebrating wasted lives and trillions on weapons, while our health care industry is facing extinction, our schools are becoming unsustainable and even our local infrastructure and government are barely managing to stay afloat.

Even here at home the police are copying the military and displaying death as a problem solving tool many times a day. They threaten to bankrupt local communities nationwide.

Keep sowing the seeds of death and violence expecting different results.

Keep honoring people who have accepted and supported the collective of death and violence, expecting something else as a result.



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I make no allegations.

I have made logical deductions from your posts and your statements regarding what you call service to the United States.

You've made no "logical" deductions.
You've made false accusations.
Can't back them up with fact so you attack with rhetoric and BS.
Typical of a failure and loser like you.
Spit on yourself you lying coward.


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Quoted from joebxr

You've made no "logical" deductions.
You've made false accusations.
Can't back them up with fact so you attack with rhetoric and BS.
Typical of a failure and loser like you.
Spit on yourself you lying coward.


you are taking this way too personal!
and you have right from the beginning.
this is not about YOU!! YOU made it about YOU!
it's about the GOVERNMENT WAR SYSTEM.
if you support it...than so be it.....you don't need to defend IT or YOURSELF!

as for me....I've seen first hand what war does to vets who come back home....AND IT AIN'T PRETTY!!!
it has ruined entire families!!! And that is just what I see in THIS country!
we have an entire world filled with heartbreak and death from government political wars

so for me it IS personal....cause I have experienced the horrific results.

I don't honor military folks....I feel sorry for them...for personal reasons and personal experiences!

I can't support a system that inflicts this kind of horror on it's citizens and others abroad. imho


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Quoted from bumblethru


you are taking this way too personal!
and you have right from the beginning.
this is not about YOU!! YOU made it about YOU!
it's about the GOVERNMENT WAR SYSTEM.
if you support it...than so be it.....you don't need to defend IT or YOURSELF!

as for me....I've seen first hand what war does to vets who come back home....AND IT AIN'T PRETTY!!!
it has ruined entire families!!! And that is just what I see in THIS country!
we have an entire world filled with heartbreak and death from government political wars

so for me it IS personal....cause I have experienced the horrific results.

I don't honor military folks....I feel sorry for them...for personal reasons and personal experiences!

I can't support a system that inflicts this kind of horror on it's citizens and others abroad. imho

I appreciate your position and understand what you say about experience and the impact
of war on not only those that were in the military, but all the people that are affected.
I also agree it's personal when someone attacks as L4L has done...and with that said, L4L is the
one that made it about me.  Always does. No way am I going to back down from such
a delusional wannabe failure coward like him.


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as for me....I've seen first hand what war does to vets who come back home....AND IT AIN'T PRETTY!!!
it has ruined entire families!!! And that is just what I see in THIS country!
we have an entire world filled with heartbreak and death from government political wars

so for me it IS personal....cause I have experienced the horrific results.

I don't honor military folks....I feel sorry for them...

I can't support a system that inflicts this kind of horror on it's citizens and others abroad. imho


My father, my uncle and my older brother all served.

They don't take it as a hate crime when I tell them how I feel about it, and their participation.

The Department of Death and Destruction.

Now sponsoring the local police too.

Half a century I have been waiting to see something positive come from the US military industry.

It never happened.

Just massive wasting of taxpayer dollars helping the corporate military industry get rich.





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L4L ...
a delusional wannabe failure coward...


Wannabe failure coward?

There's a logical deduction.

From a brain dead one who honors killing.



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You've made no "logical" deductions.
You've made false accusations.
Can't back them up with fact so you attack with rhetoric and BS.
Typical of a failure and loser like you.
Spit on yourself you lying coward.


Diversion, diversion, diversion and personal attack.

I give a detailed argument justifying my position and you instinctively redirect it away from the subject of you being a supporter of killing people to solve problems.



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My father, my uncle and my older brother all served.

They don't take it as a hate crime when I tell them how I feel about it, and their participation.

The Department of Death and Destruction.

Now sponsoring the local police too.

Half a century I have been waiting to see something positive come from the US military industry.

It never happened.

Just massive wasting of taxpayer dollars helping the corporate military industry get rich.


I agree! we have had family members in all wars starting from WWI.
the WWI vets cried when their kids went off to WWII.
the WWII vets cried when their friends when off to the Korean war.
the WWII and Korean vets cried when their kids went to Vietnam.
the Vietnam vets cried when they kids went to Iraq, Afghanistan and all the other middle eastern countries that continue today!
heartbreak, death and destruction left in it's path!!!
MILLIONS of deaths.....FOR WHAT????
certainly not for FREEDOM....since we have less freedom today than ever before in history!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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The haters will never 'get it'.  The rest of America needs no explination for this video... for the haters,
no amount of explination will help them understand.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Diversion, diversion, diversion and personal attack.

I give a detailed argument justifying my position and you instinctively redirect it away from the subject of you being a supporter of killing people to solve problems.





You gave detailed ACCUSATIONS that I asked you to prove, and you haven't JACKASS!
Step up and be a man for once in your miserable failure of a life!


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My father, my uncle and my older brother all served.

They don't take it as a hate crime when I tell them how I feel about it, and their participation.


Have you spit on them yet COWARD?  Or do you only threaten
to do that in cyberspace?
How do they like you threatening to SPIT on people...how about it COWARD?


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You gave detailed ACCUSATIONS that I asked you to prove, and you haven't JACKASS!
Step up and be a man for once in your miserable failure of a life!


You are making the claim that my opinions must be proven.

And another diversion by way of personal attack.

Once again you are deliberately acting retarded and confrontational.

What more should I expect from a person most most likely to be dangerous to Americans.



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You are making the claim that my opinions must be proven.

And another diversion by way of personal attack.

Once again you are deliberately acting retarded and confrontational.

What more should I expect from a person most most likely to be dangerous to Americans.





You make accusations that are lies and you can't provide truthful facts to
support your lies, so it's my fault!!!  You are a real loser....no wonder
you are such a failure!  

So did you spit on your family?  How about it HYPOCRITE?


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You make accusations that are lies and you can't provide truthful facts to
support your lies, so it's my fault!!!  You are a real loser....no wonder
you are such a failure!  

So did you spit on your family?  How about it HYPOCRITE?


Two words,

anger management.

You are a clear and present danger.

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