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joebxr
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OH NOOOOO!!!!  You can't attack a nations civilians in an attempt to end a war!  That's a war crime!!!   Wait...Didn't the USG drop 2 nuclear bombs on two cities killing hundreds of thousands of unsuspecting innocent civilians?  Never mind...Next argument to justify the perpetual wars.


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The September 11 attacks resulted in 2,996 immediate (attack time) deaths: 2,977 victims and the 19 hijackers.[1] A total of 372 people with non-U.S. citizenship (excluding the 19 perpetrators) perished in the attacks, representing just over 12% of the total. The immediate deaths include 246 victims on the four planes (from which there were no survivors), 2,606 in New York City in the World Trade Center and on the ground, and 125 at the Pentagon.[2][3] About 292 people[citation needed] were killed at street level by burning debris and falling bodies of those who had jumped or fallen from the World Trade Center's windows. All the deaths in the attacks were civilians except for 55 military personnel killed at the Pentagon.[4] Some immediate victims were not added to the list until years later.

More than 90 countries lost citizens in the attacks on the World Trade Center.[5] Most of those who died were U.S. citizens. The other countries with the highest losses are the United Kingdom (including the British overseas territory of Bermuda) with 67, the Dominican Republic with 47, and India with 41.

In 2007, the New York City medical examiner's office began to add people to the official death toll who died of illnesses caused by exposure to dust from the site. The first such victim was a woman who had died in February 2002 from a lung condition.[6] In 2009, a man who died in 2008 was added,[7] and in 2011 a man who died in 2010.[8] So far, 2,999 people are listed as having died due to the attacks.[1][6][7][8]

Additionally 1,140 responders and people who worked, lived or studied in Lower Manhattan at the time have since been diagnosed with cancer.[9] Over 1400 9/11 rescue workers have died since the 9/11 attacks. They were responding to the scene in the months after the attacks.[10] It is also known that there were eleven unborn babies who died on 9/11.[11]


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Yes Joe.  It appears what is good for the goose IS good for the gander.  Of course the USG's history of slaughterring innocent civilians should be ignored if not celebrated by the rest of the world.  It certainly should never be used as justification to do the same.


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Yes Joe.  It appears what is good for the goose IS good for the gander.  Of course the USG's history of slaughterring innocent civilians should be ignored if not celebrated by the rest of the world.  It certainly should never be used as justification to do the same.


I know Cissy may find this hard to believe, but occasionally, just occasionally, the US Military kills someone
OTHER THAN INNOCENT CIVILIANS.
No, really it happens!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Quoted from Box A Rox


I know Cissy may find this hard to believe, but occasionally, just occasionally, the US Military kills someone
OTHER THAN INNOCENT CIVILIANS.
No, really it happens!  


Yeah, Arabs kill their sworn enemy too.  The don't just kill Christians and children.  As a matter of fact, they kill other Muslims more than christians and Americans combined.


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Cissy, here is the difference...try to follow along....I know that will be difficult for you!
First off, understand, I am "AGAINST" murder...

JAPAN was AT WAR with the US and other countries...a "DECLARED" WORLD WAR!
Japan struck the US first and brought us into the war they had waged against the world!

The people in the towers, PA and Pentagon were civilian "targets" by a group
of Militant butchers that want to rule others under the disguise of Islam....and we were not
in any declared war with them! Their purpose was solely because of their goals
and hatred of Western civilization...not just the US, but "ALL" western civilization.


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Quoted from joebxr

JAPAN was AT WAR with the US and other countries...a "DECLARED" WORLD WAR!
Japan struck the US first and brought us into the war they had waged against the world!



did you ever talk to men who served in WWII? I did....up close and VERY personal.

they said that pearl harbor was 'created' to drag us into the war and to secure American support.

didn't hear this on cnn, fox or any lame stream media outlet.....just the folks who served....up close and personal.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Cissy, here is the difference...try to follow along....I know that will be difficult for you!
First off, understand, I am "AGAINST" murder...

JAPAN was AT WAR with the US and other countries...a "DECLARED" WORLD WAR!
Japan struck the US first and brought us into the war they had waged against the world!

The people in the towers, PA and Pentagon were civilian "targets" by a group
of Militant butchers that want to rule others under the disguise of Islam....and we were not
in any declared war with them! Their purpose was solely because of their goals
and hatred of Western civilization...not just the US, but "ALL" western civilization.


I fully understand war crime logic.  Japan declared war against the US and attacked a navel base in Hawaii.  So in response, the US drops two atomic bombs onto cities filled with men, women, and children.  So at that point, the US war crime of targeting civilians is no longer a war crime since Japan attacked a navel base.  That's a no-brainer.

I'll leave out Vietnam, since you probably witnessed a lot of the US toxic bombs dropped on their countryside.

And yes, the nineteen 9/11 attackers from Saudi Arabia attacked civilians in PA and NYC.  So in retaliation to those attacks by Saudi nationals, the USG illegally invades and overthrows the Iraqi government and kills, wounds, or displaces hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens, and conducts 13 years of drone wars on 7 countries in the middle east, not one of them being Saudi Arabia.  Totally logical - National Security.

Then, in Libya, the USG drops 100 cruise missiles onto a country that the US has been supplying military aid to for the better part of a decade.  Killing Libyans and creating years chaos after Gadhafi is killed.  Makes perfect sense - National Security.

I totally understand this war crime logic.  There is nothing that the USG can do that is considered a war crime.  War crimes are only committed by enemies of the USG.

Thanks for straightening me out on this. Phew!



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ya can't have it both ways!
don't be a fool!

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by a group of Militant American government butchers that want to rule others under the disguise of Islam democracy/freedom
Their American government's purpose was solely because of their goals
and hatred of Western civilization foreign government policies...not just the US Islam government, but "ALL" western civilization. foreign governments




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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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ya can't have it both ways!
don't be a fool!





Don't confuse him.  Nevermind that ISIS/ISIL has been fight the Iraqi, Syrian, and in some cases the Turkish governments.  You need to ignore that fact.  Unless Joe believes Iraq and Syria is now part of Western Civilization.


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Quoted from Box A Rox


I know Cissy may find this hard to believe, but occasionally, just occasionally, the US Military kills someone
OTHER THAN INNOCENT CIVILIANS.
No, really it happens!  


That is correct.

But civilian deaths and casualties, outnumber military deaths and casualties, in nearly every single military action.

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did you ever talk to men who served in WWII? I did....up close and VERY personal.

they said that pearl harbor was 'created' to drag us into the war and to secure American support.

didn't hear this on cnn, fox or any lame stream media outlet.....just the folks who served....up close and personal.


Yes Bumbler, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and that dragged us into the conflict.
Of course in your distorted conspiratorial mind, the USG fabricated it to get
people onboard with the US entering the war....and your proof is military people
that served in WWII....they were in the know and of course privy to secret conspiracy
meetings....where do you come up with this garbage....oh that's right.
"you can't make this stuff up"....but YOU DO!!!


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ya can't have it both ways!
don't be a fool!





YUP, Dumbler, it's a
MAJOR FRIGGIN' GLOBAL CONSPIRACY!!!!
Sorry, but you are the sad fool if you cannot accept reality at any point,
which is obvious from your posts....whichever Dumbler you are!


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YUP, Dumbler, it's a
MAJOR FRIGGIN' GLOBAL CONSPIRACY!!!!
Sorry, but you are the sad fool if you cannot accept reality at any point,
which is obvious from your posts....whichever Dumbler you are!


Wow,

sheep-ism.

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Yes Bumbler, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and that dragged us into the conflict.
Of course in your distorted conspiratorial mind, the USG fabricated it to get
people onboard with the US entering the war....and your proof is military people
that served in WWII....they were in the know and of course privy to secret conspiracy
meetings....where do you come up with this garbage....oh that's right.
"you can't make this stuff up"....but YOU DO!!!


you are right.....you CAN'T make this stuff up!!

I have talked to MANY who served in WWII.....are you saying THEY have distorted minds?

too bad most are dead and gone now....but I thank GOD everyday that they told the TRUTH while they still had a breath left in them!!!

don't continue to be fooled by the same government that FORCED you to join the military to fight another countries battles, that was not threat to national security...and you had to be a part of 'killing' and being exposed to CHEMICALS!! Chemicals that we would bomb countries for if they used them!!!!

fool me once....you don't get a second chance!


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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Wow,

sheep-ism.



Wow, brilliantly useless contribution from the Libercrit idiot!


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