You seem to forget that even tho Saratoga does have commercial w/residential units above it........it FIRST had homes in the surrounding areas with families....and a great school system as a major draw.
Unlike Saratoga.....the so called 'urban' area of Schenectady is surrounded by high taxed slums with a substandard school system, shootings and high crime.
Even, Saratoga had its problems back in the 1960's, 1970's and 1980's. It still has problem spots. The difference is that they have made a concerted effort to revitalize the urban center. The new people living in the urban center create demand for retail and other services provided by the private sector. The new people have brought new life into downtown Saratoga where just 40 years ago - it wasn't doing that great.
Schenectady is now following that lead and is the urban center is turning around -- headed in a positive direction. This will have a positive impact on all the neighborhoods in the city.
Oh -- and to dispel a LIE posted by someone whose name I will not speak -- I never suggested or said that all people should be forced to live in the urban center. People will CHOOSE to live Downtown. Others will choose to live in the surrounding neighborhoods. Others (like myself), whose family roots have been in Rotterdam for over a century, will choose to stay where we are and work for the day when ALL of Schenectady is united into a single City-County.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
that's fine if you don't have kids/taxes/car/insurance/inflation/daycare.......there's a whole picture
$60k/year requires both parents to work....they would need subsidized daycare to continue their lucrative life style
curious as to how much disposable income $60k(before taxes) gives a family of 4
AND they think someone is going to buy a home and pay those taxes so they can have top shelf city services.....
I think they are out of touch, maybe they spend too much time at the city mission/food pantries and think as long as the government is there to subsidize and they continue to volunteer that it's OK for a $10-$15/hour political podium puck and they can pat themselves on the back....
it's like the habitat for humanity.....what an oxymoron....they build you a home that according to them is much nicer than the sh!thole you live in but they forget that you have to pay taxes, have $$ for upkeep not to mention keep it all together including your kids.....
I'm just saying everything that we seem to be doing in Schenectady is all about enabling/subsidizing and keeping folks at a certain level.....not enough straw for the bricks....too many fish and not enough fishing poles....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Schenectady is now following that lead and is the urban center is turning around .
And when are you going to move INTO the "urban center" ?????
Have you signed your rental lease yet ????
Not a chance. He won't put either pinky toe into the "urban center" (or ANYWHERE IN the city to live). No way in hell will he live IN the city.
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
And when are you going to move INTO the "urban center" ?????
Have you signed your rental lease yet ????
Not a chance. He won't put either pinky toe into the "urban center" (or ANYWHERE IN the city to live). No way in hell will he live IN the city.
DV has choice too!! They may not be to your liking....but that is none of your business!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
The difference is that they have made a concerted effort to revitalize the urban center. The new people living in the urban center create demand for retail and other services provided by the private sector.
Exactly...there needed to be a demand FIRST!!! Saratogians also have disposable cash.......not the case in Schenectady. Saratoga does not have a substandard school system either. Saratoga does not have a city police force. Saratoga doesn't have the crime rate.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Your approach is a LOSE-LOSE. The Metroplex approach is a WIN-WIN.
Magic does not exist.
When someone wins, someone else has to lose.
Metroplex wins and the homeowners get more nails in their coffins.
The following quote, posted by you is true, but not when applied to corporate welfare kings, but if it were applied to taxpaying homes.
"Most would rather that the vacant buildings and vacant lots"deteriorating homes"be redeveloped --- and this is the key part which you fail to realize --- so that they will INCREASE in value and will ADD value to the property tax base. Your shortsighted view would prefer to see the properties remain undeveloped and UNDERVALUED paying full tax on a LOWER value ... and over the years deteriorating and LOSING value."
Your argument is actually the false argument. Most people WOULD prefer to see vacant buildings and vacant land redeveloped. You even admit that. Property values will plummet as long as these vacant or underutilized properties are allowed to remain in that condition.
Only those corporate vacant properties would lose value.
You consider taking from the deteriorating homeowners and bailing out the wealthy thereby raising the property values on tax exempt properties to be a good thing.
It is a good thing if you are rich and a corporate welfare king.
The idea is great, it just keeps getting applied to those who are rich.
Metroplex should be banned from touching corporate properties or assisting corporations.
Let them apply the same methods to the struggling homeowners.
WHO THE f*** CARES WHAT DV THINKS!!!! AND WHY SHOULD YOU??!!! YOU'RE POSTS ARE BORING AND UNINTERESTING!!! YOU'RE BECOMING A JOKE AND YOU DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT!!!! GET A LIFE!!!!!!!
OK so just because you cheer for the wild uncontrolled spending of the financially struggling homeowners, the taxpayers are not entitled to know how their money is spent.
Just keep taking their money and it's just wonderful when they lose their homes and blight is spreading like wildfire throughout the city.
I guess you wont address the massively falling tax base. The FACT that the tax base is falling is none of the business of taxpayers. Just as long as tax dollars are being given to Galesi, right?
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Whoever made that statement is mistaken/clueless. The urban center is vital to the health of the surrounding neighborhoods that make up a city. If you let the urban center decline and deteriorate, the rest of the city will go down with it. The most successful efforts to revitalize cities in this country began by reviving the urban center.
Wrong.
Bailing out the rich in downtown causes the rest of the city to deteriorate.
Perhaps you missed the part where thanks to the corporate mega welfare kings building their Renaissance center in Detroit, they forced the damn city into bankruptcy.
Killing all property values and the hopes of all the homeowners.
Schenectady is following their actions exactly.
It is known as scorched earth policy, whereby the rich take the money and run leaving behind poverty and destruction.
Bailing out the rich in downtown causes the rest of the city to deteriorate.
Perhaps you missed the part where thanks to the corporate mega welfare kings building their Renaissance center in Detroit, they forced the damn city into bankruptcy.
Killing all property values and the hopes of all the homeowners.
Schenectady is following their actions exactly.
It is known as scorched earth policy, whereby the rich take the money and run leaving behind poverty and destruction.
And you support it.
DV absolutely will NOT address those FACTS,. he cannot provide one teeny weeny shred of evidence that will show how his beloved downtown is helping the existing homeowners and the neighborhoods in the city.
Yeah, dV's "beloved urban center/downtown" He loves it oh so much that he won't go ANYWHERE NEAR downtown to live IN it!!!!!!
He's all talk and NEVER action. Has the wildest imagination on the face of the earth
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
OK so just because you cheer for the wild uncontrolled spending of the financially struggling homeowners, the taxpayers are not entitled to know how their money is spent.
Just keep taking their money and it's just wonderful when they lose their homes and blight is spreading like wildfire throughout the city.
I guess you wont address the massively falling tax base. The FACT that the tax base is falling is none of the business of taxpayers. Just as long as tax dollars are being given to Galesi, right?
Wow, now you're grasping at straws. I don't think I've EVER said that. So now you're assuming things about me and parsing my words.
I'm going to try this one more time mikehole. My objection to your posts is very simple. You punctuate every post with a DV reference. I DON'T CARE ABOUT DV!!!! And I'm pretty sure no one else here does either. But not only that, you can't see past your hatred of DV and "the DEMs" to put forth a possible solution. You just go on and on about DV and the "DEMS" ad nauseam . Grow up mike, freaking grow up.
"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix,"
GE hasn't left. While it doesn't employ as many people as it did years ago, it is still here.
Having grown up next to GE and seeing their toxic landfills, I can tell you that they maintain a minimum employment here, because complete withdrawal would mean a fifty billion dollar clean up of toxic waste.
As a kid, I used to ride motorcycles all around the main plant.
The great flats landfill behind building 85 was immense and had barrels of toxic crap everywhere.
The same with the Riverview plant on Campbell Rd.
They dumped behind the plant next to the railroad tracks that overlook the mall.
I have seen these giant toxic places with my own eyes.
I saw them buried.
I know why GE stays full well.
Knocking down buildings by the dozen to decrease the tax burden, and maintaining a skeleton crew so they won't have to cleanup 80 years of corporate environmental destruction.
GE made billions for stockholders and dumped on us.
It isn't my theory. It has something that has been implemented and proven successful in cities across the country. And -- YES -- it is working in Schenectady. The City-County of Schenectady is in a better position than it was 11 -12 years ago. The City-County of Schenectady is moving in the right direction.
Please provide a single city name where investing in mega corporate whores has raised homeowner property values and lowered taxes.
You are preaching horseshitt to the victims of your cronies.
OK so just because you cheer for the wild uncontrolled spending of the financially struggling homeowners, the taxpayers are not entitled to know how their money is spent.
Just keep taking their money and it's just wonderful when they lose their homes and blight is spreading like wildfire throughout the city.
I guess you wont address the massively falling tax base. The FACT that the tax base is falling is none of the business of taxpayers. Just as long as tax dollars are being given to Galesi, right?
blah blah blah..............nothing new here!! What are you going to do about it other than piss n moan? what are the reps going to do about it? crickets...... you still haven't answered these questions!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
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