Entire city is not under surveillance, many areas do not have cameras - why do you insist on making things up.

Poverty and crime are correlated, so, it would make sense that the cameras are in areas in which the crime rates are high rates of poverty.

Crime rates are based on a lot of factors - a lot has to do with the economy.  When is the economy turning around-I have no idea.  Factors controlling the economy are beyond the control of local politicians. Crime is also based on breakup of family, teen pregnancy - have no idea when those problems will be resolved either.

Now we're going to talk about potholes?  No thanks.

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BTW....who man's these cameras? just askin'

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I don't think they are manned, all are ran to a recording box. So basically they don't do nothing to provide safety or actually stop crime, they are there in hopes it catches something if a crime is committed. The people in the communities realize now they do no good, criminals and thugs laugh at them an still do illegal activities right in front of them. The video I posted before shows a group of men right on State St wave a bag of pot right in front of it while they rolled a blunt and smoked it right there, at the same time they were laughing at the camera.

Hi I'm from the government and I'm here to help:


WE HAVE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE, HELPING YOU HELP MAKE POVERTY TOLERABLE

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Entire city is not under surveillance, many areas do not have cameras - why do you insist on making things up.

Poverty and crime are correlated, so, it would make sense that the cameras are in areas in which the crime rates are high rates of poverty.

Crime rates are based on a lot of factors - a lot has to do with the economy.  When is the economy turning around-I have no idea.  Factors controlling the economy are beyond the control of local politicians. Crime is also based on breakup of family, teen pregnancy - have no idea when those problems will be resolved either.

Now we're going to talk about potholes?  No thanks.

So there is no time table for removing the surveillance cameras?  There is no level of crime which they will be removed?

Henry - the guys in front of the camera were smoking pot, there was no other crime captured on that video that I recall. The cameras were not designed to target people committing violations. Do you want the government to start doing things like that - monitor the cameras and use them to swoop down on pot smokers - are you really complaining about?

Besides you Cicero - who wants the cameras removed?  There is no expectation of privacy in the areas in which the cameras are placed, the footage is only storied temporarily, the cameras do not impinge on any constitutional right.  You argue for things that offend you personally - and only you care about those things. I won't bother responding until you raise a legitimate or reasonably debatable point.

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Henry - the guys in front of the camera were smoking pot, there was no other crime captured on that video that I recall. The cameras were not designed to target people committing violations. Do you want the government to start doing things like that - monitor the cameras and use them to swoop down on pot smokers - are you really complaining about?
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You mean like red light cameras, licence plate scanners, toll cameras, that type of thing that targets non-violent simple violations? No I'm against all of it because it is a revenue generator nothing more. Saying that its only a matter of time before these surveillance cameras are used for that type of thing. But the fact is these cameras do not stop crime or criminal mischief from taking place yet that is the lie they use to continue to place these throughout the city. You know as much as I do these do not make the city any safer, what will is a police force that is dedicated in making the streets safer which we do not have today.

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Besides you Cicero - who wants the cameras removed?  

You never told me who wanted the cameras installed?  Was there some kind of petition sent around Schenectady that identified those requesting police surveillance?

You can't have it both ways visitor.  You can't say there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in the areas of the cameras, then in the same breath say the residents WANT to be under surveillance.  If your argument is there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, then it doesn't matter if every Schenectady resident said they didn't want cameras, it wouldn't matter, the government can cite the claim that the people don't have a right to privacy in the areas of government surveillance.

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You mean like red light cameras, licence plate scanners, toll cameras, that type of thing that targets non-violent simple violations? No I'm against all of it because it is a revenue generator nothing more. Saying that its only a matter of time before these surveillance cameras are used for that type of thing. But the fact is these cameras do not stop crime or criminal mischief from taking place yet that is the lie they use to continue to place these throughout the city. You know as much as I do these do not make the city any safer, what will is a police force that is dedicated in making the streets safer which we do not have today.

The city cant even ccollect on the over $2 million in parking tickets it has.  They dont want to reduce the crime entirely since they wouldnt be able to justify their pay and benefits.  Crime statistics will follow the same trajectory as the Police Budget.

crime is related to the drugs and dealing......that's what has to be done....get rid of this trash....but they are free to deal and everyone puts a blind eye to

that...

ever in the markets on the first of the month???????......carts full of groceries......women in gold......and kids dressed to the ninths...

how do you suppose food stamps allows gold rings, chains, best of sneakers....etc.,.....HUH?????

Police have to be more vigilant....tickets for speeding ....and johns???........pathetic..

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crime is related to the drugs and dealing......that's what has to be done....get rid of this trash....but they are free to deal and everyone puts a blind eye to

that...

ever in the markets on the first of the month???????......carts full of groceries......women in gold......and kids dressed to the ninths...

how do you suppose food stamps allows gold rings, chains, best of sneakers....etc.,.....HUH?????

Police have to be more vigilant....tickets for speeding ....and johns???........pathetic..

So by eliminating drug sales in impoverished communities, you will eliminate those women with full shopping carts and wearing gold?  So your issue with drug dealing is that poor people can consume things you think they shouldn't be able to consume?  

Do you get angry at the Mallozzi's and Galesi's that have full shopping carts, $50k cars, and wearing gold?  

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Henry - the guys in front of the camera were smoking pot, there was no other crime captured on that video that I recall. The cameras were not designed to target people committing violations. Do you want the government to start doing things like that - monitor the cameras and use them to swoop down on pot smokers - are you really complaining about?

Besides you Cicero - who wants the cameras removed?  There is no expectation of privacy in the areas in which the cameras are placed, the footage is only storied temporarily, the cameras do not impinge on any constitutional right.  You argue for things that offend you personally - and only you care about those things. I won't bother responding until you raise a legitimate or reasonably debatable point.

it's just the precedent...once the genie is out of the bottle it evolves and your grand kids will live like that and accept it
as a norm.....

it's just sad..America with highest incarceration rate in the world with no room to put REAL criminals.....so we have
resorted to the 'pretend your conscience is watching you' tactics.....

behavior modifications/controls are voodoo....and mental/emotional abuse...our prisons are mental/drug rehab
institutions.

punishment for a crime should be just and swift.....

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When the police go to neighborhood association meetings - the residents often ask - when can we get cameras in our neighborhood.  

so its the neighborhood associations in the city of schenectady that guide the issue and locations of cameras that are and have been installed?

{neighborhood associations are NOT a correct or honest sampling of the residents to be affected IMHO}

Cicero - what a ridiculous argument. The two points are not mutually exclusive.  There is no reasonable expectation of privacy and the residents want the cameras in their neighborhood. I mentioned the point about the constitutional issue because you are basically complaining about the cameras because of your personal opinion (hangup) re: the cameras. The cameras are not unconstitutional, the residents want them, yet - you don't want them, so they should be removed?  Get over yourself and step away from the computer - this website is not the world, it's not reality.

RE: how they started - started as a grant because of the issues with open air drug dealing, shootings, and those types of issues.  Started with 5 cameras and then  grew based on some success there.

Henry - cameras are only one part of the solution - cameras have helped with the open air drug dealing and have been instrumental in solving crimes including several homicides.   It's a force multiplier, it helps the police keep an eye on problem areas.

TIB 0- Foil the police budget - it has been shrinking over the past 8-9 years.

Not an honest sampling? That's part of the equation, listen to the community - called community policing.  Should the police attend those meetings then ignore what the people say?  I thought people on this site kept complaining because all the attention was paid to downtown.  Now, when steps are taken to listen to community concerns  - it's wrong. And, I certainly haven't read about a grass roots effort by community residents to remove the cameras.

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Not an honest sampling? That's part of the equation, listen to the community - called community policing.  Should the police attend those meetings then ignore what the people say?  I thought people on this site kept complaining because all the attention was paid to downtown.  Now, when steps are taken to listen to community concerns  - it's wrong. And, I certainly haven't read about a grass roots effort by community residents to remove the cameras.

no its not an honest sampling...65.000 people plus or minus a few thousand and how many are members of ALL of the combined neighborhood associations? 300-400?

you are listening to a very small sample of the citys people...

and nowhere did i type its wrong.....i might be missing something,unless asking a question assumes me to be anti cameras?

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Cicero - what a ridiculous argument. The two points are not mutually exclusive.  There is no reasonable expectation of privacy and the residents want the cameras in their neighborhood. I mentioned the point about the constitutional issue because you are basically complaining about the cameras because of your personal opinion (hangup) re: the cameras. The cameras are not unconstitutional, the residents want them, yet - you don't want them, so they should be removed?  Get over yourself and step away from the computer - this website is not the world, it's not reality.

RE: how they started - started as a grant because of the issues with open air drug dealing, shootings, and those types of issues.  Started with 5 cameras and then  grew based on some success there.

Henry - cameras are only one part of the solution - cameras have helped with the open air drug dealing and have been instrumental in solving crimes including several homicides.   It's a force multiplier, it helps the police keep an eye on problem areas.

TIB 0- Foil the police budget - it has been shrinking over the past 8-9 years.

Not an honest sampling? That's part of the equation, listen to the community - called community policing.  Should the police attend those meetings then ignore what the people say?  I thought people on this site kept complaining because all the attention was paid to downtown.  Now, when steps are taken to listen to community concerns  - it's wrong. And, I certainly haven't read about a grass roots effort by community residents to remove the cameras.

visitor - The budget has not shrunk in the past 8 to 9 years. Take the entire cost with pay and benefits.  I dont need to FOIL as the information is already on the state websites.  Are you looking at some thing different?  

I think the percentage going to Operations and the percentage going to benefits has changed and that is why you say it is shrinking.  Am I wrong?  Help me see the light.