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Box A Rox
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In June, NATO warned about Russian-trained anti-aircraft gunners in Ukraine

On Friday MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow recounted a NATO warning from June 30, in which NATO
warned that Russia was training Ukrainian separatists how to use sophisticated anti-aircraft
surface-to-air weapons.

Maddow began the segment by noting that two journalists have left the TV and web network
Russia Today over its dishonest coverage of the Ukraine, both Putin’s invasion and the crash
of Malaysia airlines flight MH17.

Two-and-a-half weeks ago, she said, NATO knew this was a possibility. And then on Monday,
“they proved that it was true” when the separatist rebels shot down a Ukrainian transport plane,
followed on Wednesday by the destruction of Flight MH17.
“That is not conjecture,” she said, “that is what we know.”
So now, she said, the question is what Russia’s going to do about it.





The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Obama certainly won't do anything about it.  He was too busy cutting in line at a fast food place, telling jokes about Biden at speeches in Delaware and attending fundraisers to give a damn almost 300 lives lost on that airplane.  Obama couldn't care less about anybody.  For him, it is all about feeding his ego and lining his wallet.


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Why doesn't Russia use the US excuse when the USG bombs innocent citizens?  Just say oops!  We didn't mean it, we were targeting a different "terrorist" jet and shot down the wrong one.  The USG has been using that excuse for years after killing innocent people.


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Why doesn't Russia use the US excuse when the USG bombs innocent citizens?  Just say oops!  We didn't mean it, we were targeting a different "terrorist" jet and shot down the wrong one.  The USG has been using that excuse for years after killing innocent people.


Because Russia doesn't admit mistakes, they will continue to dent and point blame at others.  Cover up is happening. DUH!!!!!


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JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Because Russia doesn't admit mistakes, they will continue to dent and point blame at others.  Cover up is happening. DUH!!!!!


Sounds like a conspiracy...

sh*t, the USG invaded an entire country by mistake, killing tens of thousand, creating millions of refugees.  Russia should learn how to just say sorry. If the American people and the world can accept an apology for the scale of atrocities the USG commits, 300 people on an airplane is small beans.  A simple sorry should be enough.


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Sounds like a conspiracy...

sh*t, the USG invaded an entire country by mistake, killing tens of thousand, creating millions of refugees.  Russia should learn how to just say sorry. If the American people and the world can accept an apology for the scale of atrocities the USG commits, 300 people on an airplane is small beans.  A simple sorry should be enough.


LOL...when's the last time you admitted you were wrong or the words "I'M SORRY" came out of your mouth?
Let me help you .... NEVER!


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Quoted from joebxr

  Cover up is happening. DUH!!!!!


Like TWA flight 800  


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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LOL...thought someone would bring that up.  Here, let me add to the conspiracy theory
by adding this comparison....spooky, huh!
"...crash of a Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 shares a date with another major airline disaster, the crash of TWA Flight 800 "


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Maybe they thought there were WMD's on the flight?  Or...Iranian terrorists with box cutters hijacked the surface to air missile launcher and shot down the flight?  Or, a Syrian underwear bomber may have boarded the plane and blew it out of the sky.

What ever happened THE USG MUST DO SOMETHING TO SOMEBODY!


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"What ever happened THE USG MUST DO SOMETHING TO SOMEBODY!"
Or Cissy will be sooooooo disappointed!!!!


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"What ever happened THE USG MUST DO SOMETHING TO SOMEBODY!"
Or Cissy will be sooooooo disappointed!!!!


Yes.  I will be!   AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM!!!


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Like TWA flight 800  


And the Bermuda Triangle... and and like Area 51, and what about Cicero's abduction and
anal probe?  HUH!  What about that???


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ron-paul-defends-russia-malaysian-151731466.html

Former Congressman Ron Paul defended the Russian government on Sunday and slammed Western leaders for spreading "propaganda" after a Malaysian Airlines plane was allegedly shot down by Kremlin-backed separatists in Ukraine.

"Western politicians and media joined together to gain the maximum propaganda value from the disaster. It had to be Russia; it had to be Putin, they said," the former presidential candidate wrote. "While western media outlets rush to repeat government propaganda on the event, there are a few things they will not report."

One of those unreported things, Paul claimed in his weekly "Texas Straight Talk" column, was the United States' own responsibility for destabilizing the region. Ukraine is currently embroiled in violent conflict between the Ukrainian government and the pro-Russian separatists.

"They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych. Without US-sponsored 'regime change,' it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened," Paul wrote.

The U.S. government has said its intelligence suggests the plane was shot down by the separatists with weapons supplied by the Russian government. But Paul, echoing Russia's own line of defense, insinuated the Ukrainian government is to blame.

"They will not report that neither Russia nor the separatists in eastern Ukraine have anything to gain but everything to lose by shooting down a passenger liner full of civilians. They will not report that the Ukrainian government has much to gain by pinning the attack on Russia, and that the Ukrainian prime minister has already expressed his pleasure that Russia is being blamed for the attack," he continued.

Paul, who still maintains a sizable following among libertarian-minded activists, ticked off a number of other things he said the media will not report on, including Ukraine's ability to have shot down the plane, and that Russia "has killed no one in Ukraine, and the separatists have struck largely military, not civilian, targets."
However, at the end of his column, Paul admitted he could be wrong about the whole matter.

"Of course it is entirely possible that the Obama administration and the US media has it right this time, and Russia or the separatists in eastern Ukraine either purposely or inadvertently shot down this aircraft," he wrote. "The real point is, it's very difficult to get accurate information so everybody engages in propaganda."

















      

                













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Great job posting BUMBLER!!!


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